I thought Covid would be Joe's redemption arc. He went from having Michael Osterholm (American epidemiologist, Regents Professor, and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and...
I thought Covid would be Joe's redemption arc. He went from having Michael Osterholm (American epidemiologist, Regents Professor, and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota) on the show in March 2020 discussing Covid. To being half a step from outright covid denier and from what i hear he just cant shut up giving his opinions on it. It's very hypocritical for a guy who injecting all sorts of stuff off label to be sceptical about these vaccines.
I honestly think it's hypocritical for them to continue supporting Joe Rogan, especially since they've cancelled other artists and podcasts for less. And I'm saying this as somebody who generally...
I honestly think it's hypocritical for them to continue supporting Joe Rogan, especially since they've cancelled other artists and podcasts for less. And I'm saying this as somebody who generally dislikes covidiocy.
Are they that eager to protect their $100,000,000 investment? Because even Twitch have the balls to permanently ban a streamer that they're paying eight figures to like Dr Disrespect without warning or reason.
To be fair, there likely was a reason, Twitch/Amazon just didn't make the reason public, other than saying he had violated their community guidelines. But if I had to put money on why, I would...
Twitch have the balls to permanently ban a streamer that they're paying eight figures to like Dr Disrespect without warning or reason
To be fair, there likely was a reason, Twitch/Amazon just didn't make the reason public, other than saying he had violated their community guidelines. But if I had to put money on why, I would probably bet on (ironically enough given this latest JRE controversy) him having openly spread COVID conspiracy theories on their platform the month before he was banned.... or at least that being the straw that broke the camel's back.
My initial presumption when the news broke out was sexual harassment allegations, but this was because his ban occurred while a whole #MeToo movement was going on in gaming, which embroiled a...
My initial presumption when the news broke out was sexual harassment allegations, but this was because his ban occurred while a whole #MeToo movement was going on in gaming, which embroiled a major WoW raiding guild (Method), multiple Twitch streamers and even most of the Super Smash Bros competitive scene. But then nothing actually came out and it turned out that people like Slasher who speculated that Dr Disrespect was done were full of crap.
If I had to make a slightly educated guess as to why they banned Dr Disrespect, it's that Mixer shut down shortly before and Twitch staff realised that they no longer needed to pay their biggest star eight figures to not defect. They probably saw how much they were paying him as a massive liability and sought to find an excuse to permanently ban him. Of course the COVID conspiracy theories he was peddling and the incident where he streamed himself in a restroom was the evidence they needed.
I don't think it was a publicity stunt to raise Guy Beahm's image. Nor do I think that he got approached by Google or Spotify to create a rival streaming network. I think they genuinely told him one that he was permanently banned for breaching community guidelines, never told him specifically why (To be fair, it took YandereDev about two years to find out why Twitch had placed his game on a banned games list so I totally believe that their customer support and communication with streamers is that shitty), and then he started streaming on YouTube after he approached them and asked for a partnership deal.
Joe, take $5m of that $100m and set up your own video host. Then you can say what you like, offer Alex Jones a spot, make money from legions of other podcasters globally who are sick of tiptoeing...
Joe, take $5m of that $100m and set up your own video host. Then you can say what you like, offer Alex Jones a spot, make money from legions of other podcasters globally who are sick of tiptoeing around everyone, and extend a fat middle finger to the press and the government. I'm sure Rackspace has a datacenter in or near Austin, and I like your odds in Texas with this Supreme Court on free speech issues.
I suppose you'll have to find some way to wiggle out of that Spotify contract first, though. Good luck with that. I mean, you could call covid a hoax every single day and they'll still keep you on until the end, if only to avoid having you as competition...
Terrible excuse. He positions himself as an expert on health-related (albeit non-medical related) issues, so he has a responsibility to be careful in what he decides to say.
"I'm not a doctor, I'm a f***-ing moron," he said. "I'm not a respected source of information, even for me ... But I at least try to be honest about what I'm saying."
Terrible excuse. He positions himself as an expert on health-related (albeit non-medical related) issues, so he has a responsibility to be careful in what he decides to say.
I would be much more willing to give Rogan the benefit of the doubt here if he had not used literally this exact same excuse before. Joe Rogan used to actually believe the moon landings were...
I would be much more willing to give Rogan the benefit of the doubt here if he had not used literally this exact same excuse before.
Joe Rogan used to actually believe the moon landings were faked. He went so far as debating Phil Plait about it on Penn Jillette's short-lived radio show / proto-podcast.
The links to the podcast itself are now dead, but looks like someone mirrored them on Youtube. All 10 segments are there, but only 5 in the playlist, which is in the wrong order. I might try to clean this up and edit it down into a single coherent file, because I'd like to re-listen to it.
Clear sign that you're not really walking back a statement is that you're repeating your misinformation as "all I said was..."
"I'm not an anti-vaxx person," he clarified. "I said I believe they're safe and I encourage many people to take them. My parents were vaccinated. I just said that if you're a young, healthy person that you don't need it."
Meanwhile, at 1:50 in his moon landing "clarification" video, he starts talking about how some of the pictures released by the space program were faked or doctored. As he goes on...he starts talking about how it's plausible that more things were doctored, like maybe the real photos got ruined by radiation and so they released fake ones.
5:50: "I know that some film has been damaged...or maybe it's an urban myth?"
He's a bullshit artist, plain and simple. Capable of saying something is true, with 100% confidence is his voice, and then being like "oh, maybe that's not" a second later.
If you want the tl;dw of the video, at 8:30, "I don't think that I know whether or not we went to the moon"...he changed his mind from "it was definitely faked" to "maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, maybe we'll never know".
Someone with as large a platform as his has an obligation to not spread misinformation like this.
I'm not sure the last time I've seen a headline call someone dodging a question as 'standing behind them' and I applaud this use of language. By refusing to address a serious concern you are in...
I'm not sure the last time I've seen a headline call someone dodging a question as 'standing behind them' and I applaud this use of language. By refusing to address a serious concern you are in fact allowing it to perpetuate and a part of the problem and it should be highlighted with the appropriate language to call this out.
Well okay, but it’s still another clickbait headline in the sea. I’ve occasionally indulged in exaggerated headlines myself but I think it’s a bad habit. If everyone does this, you won’t be able...
Well okay, but it’s still another clickbait headline in the sea. I’ve occasionally indulged in exaggerated headlines myself but I think it’s a bad habit. If everyone does this, you won’t be able to tell stories about people dodging questions from stories about people answering questions by saying something newsworthy, so headlines become a little less useful.
Rogan spread misinformation - he said that he will tell young people who are healthy to not get the vaccine. This is dangerous misinformation, and maybe no better highlighted than by you yourself...
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Rogan spread misinformation - he said that he will tell young people who are healthy to not get the vaccine. This is dangerous misinformation, and maybe no better highlighted than by you yourself opting to not get the vaccine, which is dangerous and ill informed. People under 30 are one of the primary vectors of spread for the virus, and while someone under 30 has a reduced risk, by opting to not get vaccinated, they are putting people other than themselves at increased risk. Add to that the fact that "reduced risk" isn't "no risk", and you have the reason that so many people are angry about antivaxxers.
Thank you so much for saying this. As someone who has an immune-compromised family member, seeing posts like the one you replied to is infuriating. I'm often too filled with rage at the lack of...
Thank you so much for saying this. As someone who has an immune-compromised family member, seeing posts like the one you replied to is infuriating. I'm often too filled with rage at the lack of humanity of such posts to make a coherent reply.
I so frequently fail to respond with grace, so I'm glad to have done so here. I also find myself filled with rage at the same things you are; being angry is tiring, but not being angry seems...
I so frequently fail to respond with grace, so I'm glad to have done so here. I also find myself filled with rage at the same things you are; being angry is tiring, but not being angry seems irresponsible.
I just want to chime in with another thank you. I considered responding to the post, but then decided to let it rest for a bit so it would come out more considered. Your response was great, and...
I just want to chime in with another thank you. I considered responding to the post, but then decided to let it rest for a bit so it would come out more considered. Your response was great, and reflected well on the community here. It's unfortunate that it still needed to be said after so many deaths, but this is the world we live in, I suppose.
I used to work with somebody who spread misinformation about COVID and believed the whole thing to be a hoax, which could easily be warded off by taking more vitamin D. Like... We used to be...
I used to work with somebody who spread misinformation about COVID and believed the whole thing to be a hoax, which could easily be warded off by taking more vitamin D.
Like... We used to be pretty good friends but that made me lose a lot of respect for her. While I had been obeying lockdown rules like a good law abiding citizen, she had been throwing parties and disrespecting the rules. It's a surprise she hadn't been caught.
I still remember one time when she regurgitated an argument she saw on Instagram about masks being ineffective because you could still smell farts through fabric.
Sometimes things like this make me think there needs to be curbs on free speech.
And to top if off, the WHO recently announced that B.1.617 Variant has been detected in over 1,200 sequences uploaded to the GISAID open-access database "from at least 17 countries" already too. :/
Well, let's be honest with ourselves. We've never managed to contain any variant within its country of origin. Bit optimistic to expect this one to play out differently. :/ Can we please pencil -...
Well, let's be honest with ourselves. We've never managed to contain any variant within its country of origin. Bit optimistic to expect this one to play out differently. :/
Can we please pencil - get less bad at pandemics - into our todo list for this century?
We owe it to the scientists that developed these vaccines in record time with cutting edge technology to consider that at least partially checked off. Our politics is as bad as ever, but science...
We owe it to the scientists that developed these vaccines in record time with cutting edge technology to consider that at least partially checked off. Our politics is as bad as ever, but science is moving forward.
Also the thing I keep thinking about is that with every spread the virus has another chance of mutating into a form where the current vaccines aren't effective, putting us back at square one....
Also the thing I keep thinking about is that with every spread the virus has another chance of mutating into a form where the current vaccines aren't effective, putting us back at square one. Just. Get. Vaccinated.
I thought Covid would be Joe's redemption arc. He went from having Michael Osterholm (American epidemiologist, Regents Professor, and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota) on the show in March 2020 discussing Covid. To being half a step from outright covid denier and from what i hear he just cant shut up giving his opinions on it. It's very hypocritical for a guy who injecting all sorts of stuff off label to be sceptical about these vaccines.
I enjoy him for entertainment and his News Radio days but we're talking about a guy who was a moon landing denier... He is a follower not a leader.
Follower seems like an understatement. He's more like an good ol' fashioned idiot if you ask me.
I honestly think it's hypocritical for them to continue supporting Joe Rogan, especially since they've cancelled other artists and podcasts for less. And I'm saying this as somebody who generally dislikes covidiocy.
Are they that eager to protect their $100,000,000 investment? Because even Twitch have the balls to permanently ban a streamer that they're paying eight figures to like Dr Disrespect without warning or reason.
To be fair, there likely was a reason, Twitch/Amazon just didn't make the reason public, other than saying he had violated their community guidelines. But if I had to put money on why, I would probably bet on (ironically enough given this latest JRE controversy) him having openly spread COVID conspiracy theories on their platform the month before he was banned.... or at least that being the straw that broke the camel's back.
My initial presumption when the news broke out was sexual harassment allegations, but this was because his ban occurred while a whole #MeToo movement was going on in gaming, which embroiled a major WoW raiding guild (Method), multiple Twitch streamers and even most of the Super Smash Bros competitive scene. But then nothing actually came out and it turned out that people like Slasher who speculated that Dr Disrespect was done were full of crap.
If I had to make a slightly educated guess as to why they banned Dr Disrespect, it's that Mixer shut down shortly before and Twitch staff realised that they no longer needed to pay their biggest star eight figures to not defect. They probably saw how much they were paying him as a massive liability and sought to find an excuse to permanently ban him. Of course the COVID conspiracy theories he was peddling and the incident where he streamed himself in a restroom was the evidence they needed.
I don't think it was a publicity stunt to raise Guy Beahm's image. Nor do I think that he got approached by Google or Spotify to create a rival streaming network. I think they genuinely told him one that he was permanently banned for breaching community guidelines, never told him specifically why (To be fair, it took YandereDev about two years to find out why Twitch had placed his game on a banned games list so I totally believe that their customer support and communication with streamers is that shitty), and then he started streaming on YouTube after he approached them and asked for a partnership deal.
Joe, take $5m of that $100m and set up your own video host. Then you can say what you like, offer Alex Jones a spot, make money from legions of other podcasters globally who are sick of tiptoeing around everyone, and extend a fat middle finger to the press and the government. I'm sure Rackspace has a datacenter in or near Austin, and I like your odds in Texas with this Supreme Court on free speech issues.
I suppose you'll have to find some way to wiggle out of that Spotify contract first, though. Good luck with that. I mean, you could call covid a hoax every single day and they'll still keep you on until the end, if only to avoid having you as competition...
There's a difference between tiptoeing around the people in power and willfully spreading demonstrably false information.
Joe Rogan walks back anti-vaccination comments
Terrible excuse. He positions himself as an expert on health-related (albeit non-medical related) issues, so he has a responsibility to be careful in what he decides to say.
I would be much more willing to give Rogan the benefit of the doubt here if he had not used literally this exact same excuse before.
Joe Rogan used to actually believe the moon landings were faked. He went so far as debating Phil Plait about it on Penn Jillette's short-lived radio show / proto-podcast.
Slate articles by Plait from 2007 about it: 1 2 3
The links to the podcast itself are now dead, but looks like someone mirrored them on Youtube. All 10 segments are there, but only 5 in the playlist, which is in the wrong order. I might try to clean this up and edit it down into a single coherent file, because I'd like to re-listen to it.
All of this is just backstory. From 2017: Joe Rogan on why he changed his stance on the Moon landing conspiracy. This is on the official "JRE Clips" Youtube channel, so this is the message Rogan wants to spread about the reason he changed his mind. For comparison, here's the "Joe Rogan Clarifies His Vaccine Comments" from the same channel.
And...it's pretty much the exact same shit.
Clear sign that you're not really walking back a statement is that you're repeating your misinformation as "all I said was..."
Meanwhile, at 1:50 in his moon landing "clarification" video, he starts talking about how some of the pictures released by the space program were faked or doctored. As he goes on...he starts talking about how it's plausible that more things were doctored, like maybe the real photos got ruined by radiation and so they released fake ones.
5:50: "I know that some film has been damaged...or maybe it's an urban myth?"
He's a bullshit artist, plain and simple. Capable of saying something is true, with 100% confidence is his voice, and then being like "oh, maybe that's not" a second later.
If you want the tl;dw of the video, at 8:30, "I don't think that I know whether or not we went to the moon"...he changed his mind from "it was definitely faked" to "maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, maybe we'll never know".
Someone with as large a platform as his has an obligation to not spread misinformation like this.
I'm not sure the last time I've seen a headline call someone dodging a question as 'standing behind them' and I applaud this use of language. By refusing to address a serious concern you are in fact allowing it to perpetuate and a part of the problem and it should be highlighted with the appropriate language to call this out.
Well okay, but it’s still another clickbait headline in the sea. I’ve occasionally indulged in exaggerated headlines myself but I think it’s a bad habit. If everyone does this, you won’t be able to tell stories about people dodging questions from stories about people answering questions by saying something newsworthy, so headlines become a little less useful.
Yes I also believe that this can be improved upon. 'Spotify's CEO redirects and refuses to address problematic behavior' would be a good example.
That sounds reasonable to me. Done. Please let me know if that is sufficient. cc: @skybrian
How to quit Spotify, by Amanda Smith.
Rogan spread misinformation - he said that he will tell young people who are healthy to not get the vaccine. This is dangerous misinformation, and maybe no better highlighted than by you yourself opting to not get the vaccine, which is dangerous and ill informed. People under 30 are one of the primary vectors of spread for the virus, and while someone under 30 has a reduced risk, by opting to not get vaccinated, they are putting people other than themselves at increased risk. Add to that the fact that "reduced risk" isn't "no risk", and you have the reason that so many people are angry about antivaxxers.
Thank you so much for saying this. As someone who has an immune-compromised family member, seeing posts like the one you replied to is infuriating. I'm often too filled with rage at the lack of humanity of such posts to make a coherent reply.
I so frequently fail to respond with grace, so I'm glad to have done so here. I also find myself filled with rage at the same things you are; being angry is tiring, but not being angry seems irresponsible.
I just want to chime in with another thank you. I considered responding to the post, but then decided to let it rest for a bit so it would come out more considered. Your response was great, and reflected well on the community here. It's unfortunate that it still needed to be said after so many deaths, but this is the world we live in, I suppose.
Thanks you, and also @joplin, for the kind words. They are much appreciated.
I used to work with somebody who spread misinformation about COVID and believed the whole thing to be a hoax, which could easily be warded off by taking more vitamin D.
Like... We used to be pretty good friends but that made me lose a lot of respect for her. While I had been obeying lockdown rules like a good law abiding citizen, she had been throwing parties and disrespecting the rules. It's a surprise she hadn't been caught.
I still remember one time when she regurgitated an argument she saw on Instagram about masks being ineffective because you could still smell farts through fabric.
Sometimes things like this make me think there needs to be curbs on free speech.
In addition, the variant currently tearing through India looks to target younger people more than older people.
And to top if off, the WHO recently announced that B.1.617 Variant has been detected in over 1,200 sequences uploaded to the GISAID open-access database "from at least 17 countries" already too. :/
Well, let's be honest with ourselves. We've never managed to contain any variant within its country of origin. Bit optimistic to expect this one to play out differently. :/
Can we please pencil - get less bad at pandemics - into our todo list for this century?
We owe it to the scientists that developed these vaccines in record time with cutting edge technology to consider that at least partially checked off. Our politics is as bad as ever, but science is moving forward.
Also the thing I keep thinking about is that with every spread the virus has another chance of mutating into a form where the current vaccines aren't effective, putting us back at square one. Just. Get. Vaccinated.
So far, even the India variant can't beat the vaccines.
Okay, thank goodness. Still, I feel like it's only a matter of time ... which is why it's of utmost importance to get everyone vaccinated.