I'm surprised by some of the takes I've seen on this matter. This is a very important line, something that's surprisingly up for debate. Definitely didn't expect that.
I'm surprised by some of the takes I've seen on this matter.
That’s not a slippery slope; that’s a fully built system just waiting for external pressure to make the slightest change.
This is a very important line, something that's surprisingly up for debate. Definitely didn't expect that.
It seems like you could say similar things about spam filters though? They are usually based on machine learning and you don't always understand how they work. Gmail even has a handy "report spam"...
It seems like you could say similar things about spam filters though? They are usually based on machine learning and you don't always understand how they work. Gmail even has a handy "report spam" button that could be used to share an incoming email with some unknown person. Any email you send to a friend could be reported in this way.
I'm personally not ecstatic about how email has become siloed into a few major providers. I don't use google mail, except at NYU where I absolutely have to. I currently use mailbox.org, but there...
I'm personally not ecstatic about how email has become siloed into a few major providers. I don't use google mail, except at NYU where I absolutely have to. I currently use mailbox.org, but there are a few different providers out there. I definitely think using Gmail or so on is a bad idea in serious contexts. I think I remember reading a post about how Google sometimes drops emails silently, without even sending it to the spam box. Horrifying.
I don't know much about spam filters. I do think the rise of purported end-to-end providers has helped in situations where it really matters. I also remember thinking that a lot of the spam filtering aspect comes from the mail server rather than individual accounts, but I may be mistaken.
Due to the amount of spam, there are multiple levels of filtering. Some attempts to deliver mail might get rejected immediately because it’s obviously illegitimate based on where it’s coming from....
Due to the amount of spam, there are multiple levels of filtering. Some attempts to deliver mail might get rejected immediately because it’s obviously illegitimate based on where it’s coming from. It’s not that easy these days to set up a new mail server that the major providers will accept as legitimate.
Yes that is a difference, but it could have similar effects. In practice it’s going to be some outsourced workers’ job to review it and they’re not going to have the cultural context. (But I think...
Yes that is a difference, but it could have similar effects. In practice it’s going to be some outsourced workers’ job to review it and they’re not going to have the cultural context.
(But I think in the case of the Message app, the content gets reviewed by a parent.)
You could argue that that ‘fully built system’ is iCloud and other remote storage services in general. It’s already waiting for ‘external pressure’ to analyze the files in their custody differently.
You could argue that that ‘fully built system’ is iCloud and other remote storage services in general. It’s already waiting for ‘external pressure’ to analyze the files in their custody differently.
Sure, and that holds for most cloud services. Thing is, I really have a problem with this moving on-device, because a lot of policy makers have shown they're not technically adept, and this is...
Sure, and that holds for most cloud services. Thing is, I really have a problem with this moving on-device, because a lot of policy makers have shown they're not technically adept, and this is essentially inviting them to pressure Apple into letting them in. When Apple was holding a firmer stance about not letting law enforcement onto the device itself, for example, I breathed easier.
And now Whatsapp's CEO is saying "We'll never implement this in Whatsapp". lol. I am quite skeptical of the Facebook-owned Whatsapp and I'm sure they're saying this just to get in their digs
And now Whatsapp's CEO is saying "We'll never implement this in Whatsapp". lol. I am quite skeptical of the Facebook-owned Whatsapp and I'm sure they're saying this just to get in their digs
I'm surprised by some of the takes I've seen on this matter.
This is a very important line, something that's surprisingly up for debate. Definitely didn't expect that.
It seems like you could say similar things about spam filters though? They are usually based on machine learning and you don't always understand how they work. Gmail even has a handy "report spam" button that could be used to share an incoming email with some unknown person. Any email you send to a friend could be reported in this way.
But I guess we're used to it now.
I'm personally not ecstatic about how email has become siloed into a few major providers. I don't use google mail, except at NYU where I absolutely have to. I currently use mailbox.org, but there are a few different providers out there. I definitely think using Gmail or so on is a bad idea in serious contexts. I think I remember reading a post about how Google sometimes drops emails silently, without even sending it to the spam box. Horrifying.
I don't know much about spam filters. I do think the rise of purported end-to-end providers has helped in situations where it really matters. I also remember thinking that a lot of the spam filtering aspect comes from the mail server rather than individual accounts, but I may be mistaken.
Due to the amount of spam, there are multiple levels of filtering. Some attempts to deliver mail might get rejected immediately because it’s obviously illegitimate based on where it’s coming from. It’s not that easy these days to set up a new mail server that the major providers will accept as legitimate.
There is a difference between a “report spam” button and a system that may automatically report content it deems wrong to outside authorities.
Yes that is a difference, but it could have similar effects. In practice it’s going to be some outsourced workers’ job to review it and they’re not going to have the cultural context.
(But I think in the case of the Message app, the content gets reviewed by a parent.)
You could argue that that ‘fully built system’ is iCloud and other remote storage services in general. It’s already waiting for ‘external pressure’ to analyze the files in their custody differently.
Sure, and that holds for most cloud services. Thing is, I really have a problem with this moving on-device, because a lot of policy makers have shown they're not technically adept, and this is essentially inviting them to pressure Apple into letting them in. When Apple was holding a firmer stance about not letting law enforcement onto the device itself, for example, I breathed easier.
And now Whatsapp's CEO is saying "We'll never implement this in Whatsapp". lol. I am quite skeptical of the Facebook-owned Whatsapp and I'm sure they're saying this just to get in their digs
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