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  1. [5]
    JamesTeaKirk
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    I'm so tired of seeing this same topic. I've seen dozens of topics arguing which interpretation of "high-quality content" is the right interpretation. When I joined this site, it was my impression...

    I'm so tired of seeing this same topic. I've seen dozens of topics arguing which interpretation of "high-quality content" is the right interpretation. When I joined this site, it was my impression that we as the user base would work together to decide what threshold we're okay with by using the tools provided; namely voting and tagging. Instead I've simply seen many people spending most of their time on the site trying to define some sort of line for what's okay to post on Tildes. We will never agree on a line, so either Deimos needs to explicitly define it, or we should stop making posts about it and decide with our vote and filtering abilities.

    16 votes
    1. Gaywallet
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      Such is the nature of having diversity That's essentially impossible. Well the goal is to eventually have active users be promoted into having the ability to moderate sections. Until this...

      We will never agree on a line

      Such is the nature of having diversity

      so either Deimos needs to explicitly define it

      That's essentially impossible.

      or we should stop making posts about it and decide with our vote and filtering abilities.

      Well the goal is to eventually have active users be promoted into having the ability to moderate sections. Until this functionality exists, the best we can do is vote, filter, or ignore.

      I expect most of these discussions will die down as soon as the community can "clean up" what the majority consider a shitpost.

      8 votes
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        JamesTeaKirk
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        The problem for me is that nearly all of the activity from GB's thread is from people complaining on it, and it quickly turned into a thing because of those people. If everyone who doesn't want to...

        The problem for me is that nearly all of the activity from GB's thread is from people complaining on it, and it quickly turned into a thing because of those people. If everyone who doesn't want to see posts like that would have ignored the two inches it took up on their screen, the thread would probably be buried by now. I think we as the community need to do our job to encourage high-quality content/discussion, and part of that job is ignoring low-effort posts, not commenting on the low-effort posts to start a discussion about how low-effort the post is, blowing the entire thing up in the process.

        It has one tag, "introduction", which is too vague to filter out. 
        

        It is inevitable that any filtering system based on user defined tags will have things slip through the cracks, how we deal with those edge cases is very important, especially in the beginning of the site.

        This is a valid point. I guess for me, in our current environment, I still see the best way to discourage low-effort content is to ignore it.

        8 votes
        1. euphoria066
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          I agree with this wholeheartedly! Can't fight every fight - sometimes you just have to ignore things that are stupid and assume that when our one person with modding powers at the moment discovers...

          I agree with this wholeheartedly!

          Can't fight every fight - sometimes you just have to ignore things that are stupid and assume that when our one person with modding powers at the moment discovers it, they will surely agree that it is a bunch of nonsense and shut it down.

          4 votes
      2. phedre
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        Introduction posts are, and always will be, by their very nature "low effort". As @jamesteakirk said, had those who had a problem with the post simply because of who posted it ignored it and moved...

        Introduction posts are, and always will be, by their very nature "low effort". As @jamesteakirk said, had those who had a problem with the post simply because of who posted it ignored it and moved on, it would be fairly far down the page already.

        Instead, people are using it as a platform to pop off. It's silly.

        4 votes
  2. [3]
    phedre
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    What constitutes a "shitpost" is a grey area - it always has been, and always will be. Removing content for being a shitpost is often one of the most controversial things I do on reddit as the...

    What constitutes a "shitpost" is a grey area - it always has been, and always will be. Removing content for being a shitpost is often one of the most controversial things I do on reddit as the users often disagree ("I put effort into that meme/screenshot/etc! It's not a shitpost! People upvoted it!").

    What I find interesting is the reaction GallowBoob received here just for being GallowBoob. Intro posts have been done before from prominent Reddit users who are looking to make a change and test the waters on Tildes; how we react as a community to those introductions will probably decide whether we get a new, productive member of our community, or someone who just says "nah, fuck it, not worth my time" and walks away.

    I will say that seeing terms like "sack of shit", "fuckstick", "trash", and other terms on an introduction post was very disheartening, and made me wonder if this community is all people say it is.

    12 votes
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      1. phedre
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        It's not just one post, though. Although that was the nastiest of the bunch, there were plenty of hostile comments that were nothing more than a dogpile effort to see who could smugpost the...

        It's not just one post, though. Although that was the nastiest of the bunch, there were plenty of hostile comments that were nothing more than a dogpile effort to see who could smugpost the hardest about how awful it was that THAT GUY WAS POSTING ON TILDES.

        The backhanded insults and cattiness were not necessary.

        3 votes
    2. cfabbro
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      Just FYI that comment was removed by @deimos and I suspect if that user does something like that again they will be banned (if they haven’t already been).

      I will say that seeing terms like "sack of shit", "fuckstick", "trash", and other terms on an introduction post was very disheartening, and made me wonder if this community is all people say it is.

      Just FYI that comment was removed by @deimos and I suspect if that user does something like that again they will be banned (if they haven’t already been).

      4 votes
  3. PeeingRedAgain
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    (I can't believe this is my first post) I honestly like that GB came here because it provides a good system "stress test" of sorts. Most people are in agreement that (a) GB knows how to exploit...

    (I can't believe this is my first post)

    I honestly like that GB came here because it provides a good system "stress test" of sorts. Most people are in agreement that (a) GB knows how to exploit problems with Reddit for karma and (b) they don't want those types of posts here.

    Once the site is open for all this is going to be a common problem, so being able to find the holes and fix them now is a big advantage (this thread is a good discussion and is a direct result of the GB thread). I'd almost encourage GB to try and post low quality content -- because if Tildes is configured right it should not make an appreciable impact and this will need to be addressed sooner or later.

    7 votes
  4. [6]
    Gaywallet
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    I don't think we'll ever have a true black and white answer. That's why the site is designed to allow the users to curtail their own content - reports and voting are outsourced to the active...

    I don't think we'll ever have a true black and white answer. That's why the site is designed to allow the users to curtail their own content - reports and voting are outsourced to the active members of a community allowing the community to decide what's appropriate for them.

    6 votes
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        Gaywallet
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        I'm not sure how the "competing" interests will play out, but my guess is the intent would be for the active users to be able to gatekeep their community and remove posts they feel are low effort....

        A user joins the community who mostly posts low effort content related to skydiving and due to the more accessible nature of their posts they receive a lot of votes and gain access to community management functionality and begin to allow more low effort content.

        I'm not sure how the "competing" interests will play out, but my guess is the intent would be for the active users to be able to gatekeep their community and remove posts they feel are low effort. They would never be pushed out and forced to create a community within a community. It would be the opposite - the user who wants to post the content that the larger community does not like would likely be forced to create a subcommunity such as ~skydiving.loweffort or whatever.

        3 votes
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          1. super_james
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            How can a weighted voting reputation system decide if a new poster should get more or less power? Assuming Deimos isn't planning to build an AGI which can pass the Turing test, then the decision...

            How can a weighted voting reputation system decide if a new poster should get more or less power?

            Assuming Deimos isn't planning to build an AGI which can pass the Turing test, then the decision has to come down to agreeing with the existing holders of power.

            Power accumulation could be rate limited (long steady membership > short high activity membership).

            The system could limit it's concentration: Max User Rep < (1/5 * Total Active User Rep) for example would mean it takes the top 3 rep users to over-rule everyone else.

            Personally I think that to obtain reputation for mod decisions you should have to make difficult decisions correctly. So if you flag something which has high-upvotes as abusive and it gets removed by high power users later you'd gain mod power but just piling on to upvote the top posts would be basically worthless.

            2 votes
          2. Gaywallet
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            I can't speak for @Deimos but I'm sure he's taken this into consideration (or will, when he gets around to coding this).

            I can't speak for @Deimos but I'm sure he's taken this into consideration (or will, when he gets around to coding this).

      2. phedre
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        You're assuming that tildes' vote weighting system works the same as reddit's. From what I can see, that's not the case at all. @Deimos can correct me if I'm wrong. The reason "fluff" rises so...

        You're assuming that tildes' vote weighting system works the same as reddit's. From what I can see, that's not the case at all. @Deimos can correct me if I'm wrong.

        The reason "fluff" rises so fast to the top of a sub on reddit is because it's easier to digest and upvote quickly, and an upvote on a post within the first ten minutes of a post's life carries more weight than one from say, 10 hours later.

        We seem to have more of an absolute vote count going on here, and with the default sort set to "activity", posts with actual discussion will be seen more readily than those that are simply a fluff post that people view, laugh at, and move on.

        3 votes
      3. clem
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        Maybe I misunderstand the way the tagging system will work, but it seems to me that low effort content will be tagged as such, and that people who dislike that content can filter it out. Other...

        Maybe I misunderstand the way the tagging system will work, but it seems to me that low effort content will be tagged as such, and that people who dislike that content can filter it out. Other posts might be tagged as "skydiving.discussion," "skydiving.chatting," etc., and users can choose to only look at that. In addition, I didn't think that such a small percentage of people would be granted a major influence on anything. Then again, I've only been here for a few days and spent only a little time reading the documents, so I may be mistaken.

        1 vote
  5. acr
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    Should we allow discussions that are entirely meta-circlejerking? From what I read, it isn't what Tildes is for. A part of me wants to say, if that is what the thread is and people understand...
    1. Should we allow discussions that are entirely meta-circlejerking?
      From what I read, it isn't what Tildes is for. A part of me wants to say, if that is what the thread is and people understand going in then okay. But a bigger part says, if they become common they can flood out more legitimate topics. Even if we tagged and filtered them out, I just see it opening the floodgates for something this site isn't meant for. Plenty of other sites to circle jerk on. But this is a community.
    2. What defines shitposting and what is an acceptable shitpost and what is unacceptable?
      Shitpostingto me is, someone just posting garbage to stir the pot. Lately I have felt like a jerk because I have posted some comments people don't agree with. But I have tried my absolutel best to hear them out and keep it 100% civil. I might have some unpopular opinions, but I in no way want people to see me as an ass hole. I will read anything and everything someone comes back to me with. Shitposting would be me just piling on over and over to irritate the people disagreeing with me.
    3. How are we going to handle users who intentionally disrupt the platform, both before mechanics are implemented to grant trusted users a measure of control and after?
      Before, I am not sure. After, the trust system should be able to weed out bad eggs and take actions accordingly. Plus we'll probably have mods at that point.
    4. What do we do if there is no consensus?
      I mean there will have to be, or deimos / whatever group he has in power will have to decide.
    5. What happens if a user who acts in bad faith becomes popular in the community and receives a level of mechanical control?
      This is just how life works. Plenty of less than great people are super well liked so they get away with doing things someone never could get away with. We just have to trust the mods / admins to remain unbiased and hold everyone to the same standard.

    Edit: Fixed formatting

    5 votes
  6. insomnic
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    I think the only way I have to judge low-effort is when conversations in comments break down to direct personal conversations rather than content that is still useful for others to read outside of...

    I think the only way I have to judge low-effort is when conversations in comments break down to direct personal conversations rather than content that is still useful for others to read outside of the two commentators. When the content of the topic or comments could have been better served in a private chat or communication (greetings of past affiliation, inside jokes, etc) then it's low effort.

    In the example, it was low effort to me because it was a "hello world" and the content was a lot of "chat" ... and there was an expectation of "now the party can start" ... but it is someone with an online community reputation\celebrity so if they had added more content to the initial post that would have helped; but people coming from reddit and using reddit habits is going to happen and gentle education will probably work better than elitism ("we need user filters" and "we don't want you here" aren't very open minded discussion statements).

    Edit: Also, by just not participating, low effort will drop away. All the negative comments just added to the activity level.

    5 votes
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    meghan
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    Continuing to argue on the definition of what does and doesn't constitute as low-effort content is low-effort content

    Continuing to argue on the definition of what does and doesn't constitute as low-effort content is low-effort content

    4 votes
    1. Gaywallet
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      Solution: post a low effort complaint 🙄

      Solution: post a low effort complaint 🙄

      3 votes