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Would people be interested in a Tildes Discord server?
For live chatting about certain things. We could have different channels for the different groups. Just a thought.
For live chatting about certain things. We could have different channels for the different groups. Just a thought.
Just as an "official" standpoint: I won't (and can't) prevent people from continuing to create Tildes Discord servers (I think this is about the third one already), but I'm not going to join any of them personally, or endorse any of them. I think that chat contributes to a lot of negative community dynamics including cliquishness, brigading-like behavior, making people feel entitled to ping me or other users for immediate responses to issues/questions at any time, etc.
Chat does have benefits, and it might be worth doing officially in the future somehow (not on Discord), but it's not something I'm interested in attaching to the site at this stage.
That's Tildes's motto!
That's an easily solvable problem with an only let friends ping me/whitelist/ blacklist option.
I honestly believe that only happens if the administrations lets it happen. Communities like Eve Online are basically just 3D chat rooms where Clans/"Corporations" are organised in their own chats. Nobody feels entitled if your entitlement is faced with a automatic 'please don't waste the time of people with irrelevant pings. They increase the administrative effort and prevent users who need help from actually getting help.' messages.
Okay. Fair enough.
How about creating an IRC channel for each topic?
With the open-source and privacy-oriented focus of Tildes, I think IRC or Matrix should also be considered.
Edit: since this is the top comment on this post, I'll link to my comment below with some reasoning behind potential privacy and security issues with Discord.
There's already #tildes on freenode, but I don't really see the point of a chat.
I think way more people use Discord though. It would be easier. Those are options though.
I don't think easier is a good reason to give up privacy.
Which is why we're experiencing multiple crises in data privacy
I would argue there's also a large set of people here who use/have used IRC or Slack. Without some concrete numbers we don't really know.
I've used only IRC and Slack. Been on Discord maybe once or twice.
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oldwise.I would much prefer mastodon https://tildes.net/~tech/575/#comment-1hn1
It's an open source Twitter-like service, and you can get a live feed yes
Definitely behind this. I use Discord anyway, but it seems like a weird fit...at the very least, it probably shouldn't be taken as the default option.
Tildes and Discord are antithetical to each other in terms of privacy.
That's not to say that don't use both, but they are a weird combination.
What's wrong with Discord privacy?
Closed-source, proprietary, no end-to-end encryption (and it won't have it for the foreseeable future), and a concerning privacy policy (particularly
INFORMATION WE COLLECTandOUR DISCLOSURE OF YOUR INFORMATION).Communication services should never be closed-source, especially when there are several great alternatives available. You have to remember that Discord doesn't yet have a solid/sustainable revenue model, and they're likely at the point where they need to figure something out before their VC funding runs out. This much chat data about millions of users is very valuable... just something to keep in mind.
Me too, although several Discord staff have said on /r/discordapp that they don't. I'm not sure how long ago this was though, and as far as I can tell, they could freely give data to "Related Companies". That's all the privacy policy says though - it doesn't give any examples of these "Related Companies", or even a general description of what these companies could be.
True, although it's the volume here that's important - they have 130 million users. This is a lot of users, and they can collect a lot of data about them - metadata, chat messages, links, uploaded files, voice chats, video chats, email address, phone numbers, and linked accounts (Steam, Facebook, Battle.net, etc.). And these messages can be in a variety of public servers, private servers, and PMs. I'm sure the data would be very valuable simply due to the sheer quantity. If it's enough to stay afloat though - I agree that it's probably not.
They have Nitro. I thought that was how they were funded.
They don't release the official numbers so we don't know. Power users tend to spring for Nitro but imho it's not a solid enough deal that the larger userbase will want to pay for it.
They need to add more features
Discord is a closed-source for-profit corporation which actively collects, stores, and shares certain kinds of data from their users in order to conduct business. It also claims to be encrypted but it does not use end-to-end encryption which many tech-savy people see as a bad implementation.
This article is a bit too far down the Stallmanesque "everything is unfree!" road for my tastes, but does have a few specific complaints that seem above and beyond the usual issues raised about proprietary platforms:
The problem is that with it being closed source, you have absolutely no way of telling if that's all it's doing. You just have the word of a company desperately attempting to find a way to make money off of its users.
With end-to-end encryption, this can be somewhat mitigated though. The backend can be as nefarious it wants, all it ever gets is metadata. Which isn't good either, but a lot less harmful than full messages and voice streams. As you said, any time there's someone between sender and recipient, they can do whatever they want. It's on the clients to ensure that's as little as possible.
AFAIK they're not yet profitable, so their business plan could change wildly at some point in the future. Also as @Kat says they're closed source, which seems dumb to me considering Discord is more of a SaaS than anything else.
For goodness' sake... why does everyone want to go to Discord? What can you say on Discord that you can't say here?
Yeah like honestly Matrix would be a good fit if we really needed a third party chat because it shares the same values and will even bridge with other services if need be. But still, I don't think that tildes really needs a third party discussion place just as how there isn't a subreddit for matrix: the service itself is the place where the discussion happens.
Edit: Also I wanna make it clear that I definitely feel your frustration. It irks me that discord is trying to own the monopoly of chat platforms.
I don't have a Discord account, and I see no reason to get a Discord account until someone can tell me what I need Discord for.
Wow. Sign me up!
/s
I feel like that's just taking discussion away from Tildes. If people don't think casual shitposting fits anywhere on Tildes maybe there's a solution for that. ~talk might be that but maybe having ~casual be a thing or something. It's just an idea anyway. I know I won't join any Discord or live chat because it might fracture the already relatively small community..
Can I get the invite?
Invite expired.
which one? Apparently there are multiple floating around now?
No.
What is the point of having a social network dedicated to a social network?
Even if we wanted to, why would we sacrifice our privacy and use sketchy proprietary software to do it? I can understand wanting chat to an extent, but why not do it with free software? We can have an IRC channel on freenode or create a room with XMPP or various other solutions.
To me, it's another way to interact with the community. Don't get me wrong, you can interact plenty on here as well. But you need a link and a relevant group, you can't just jump on whenever and start talking about whatever.
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I was going to make a post just like that the other day.
I would've searched for it but there is no search feature (my greatest annoyance with the site so far).Thanks for the link!Edit: Deimos just added a basic search function. Thanks!
Seconded on this, there are 12 users currently in this one.
I could make one and transfer ownership to Deimos if he wants to manage. I could also do it if he doesn't want to. In fact, I'll go ahead and get working on one
Here ya go https://discord.gg/GNY5452
No.
For reasons eloquently addressed by others already.
I wonder if the ability to add polls could be a good addition at some point to avoid these kinds of posts.
This seems like a great idea. There could be an option to add a poll after the text, when submitting content. When activiting this option, the original poster could create a simple multiple choice poll with custom options.
Is there some sort of request for this on Gitlab already?
I can't seem to find anything like that but I'm not too familiar with how GitLab works. I searched the development pipeline and didn't see anything. Is there a place to submit feature requests?
Edit: I created a topic in the ~tildes group.
https://tildes.net/~tildes/5ca/feature_request_to_add_an_option_for_polls_to_topics
Thanks. Deleted.
I think IRC would be a better suit.
For the record, there was also this old topic from a couple of months ago.
(As an aside, I'm loving the search feature. I'm not on my home device, so it comes in handy for finding these old threads I've come across in the past!)
I was just thinking about this the other day. And, in principle, yeah, very much so. The problem is, however, that despite Tildes being a small website, we still have like 5000+ users.
Imagine only 10% of them joined the discord server. It would still be 500 people. That's unmanageable. Plus, it's so big discussions will move too quickly for anyone to be able to follow them. And there will be just too many people.
The idea is nice. But not very realistic. Best we can do is have a discord server as per every Tildes group.
Or maybe I just don't like big discord servers but they're actually feasible. Who knows...
Big servers are very feasible if you just have mod bots. There are lots of very useful ones that can do things like auto-deleting spam, sorting, etc.
Consider also that not all those who join the server will be active, and not all the active users will be active at once, and that discussion can be spread across multiple channels. I don't really like gigantic servers either, but I think it can be fairly manageable with the right organization. Not that I know what we would need it for in the first place.
Yes. I've been using it daily / almost daily for at least a couple of years. What other comment are you referencing?
I'd definitely be interested in this (or IRC or whatever option wins out).