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Feature Idea: Tildes Playlist - Would it be useful to have some sort of automated, easy to use, media categorization?

My use case:
I watch videos (YouTube) and listen to audio (Podcasts) as a major part of my weekly media intake. I would love some sort of generated Tildes Playlist . IANADev, but it sure would be nice if Tildes was able to parse, scrape, and categorize media posted as topics and in comments. Then present them to me with a date filter, and allow separating audio only and video media. Maybe something like tildes.net/?tag= but at tildes.net/playlist. I guess it would be nice to be able to sort media by tag as well.

Possible other use case:
Accessibility?

I see that some videos are already being tagged "videos." So there already is some organic interest in this special category, right?

What do you all think, is this useful?

From a dev perspective, is getting that correct enough difficult? Does Embedly categorize audio only and video?

edit: in the playlist view, there should of course be a link back to the topic or comment where the media was found. Also, @Deimos, I certainly don't want to take Tildes away from the text-first/only direction of the site, but sometimes I am doing stuff conducive to audio/video media intake like cooking, driving, etc. It would be cool to be able to easily consume it then, and come back to comment later.

19 comments

  1. [5]
    Bauke
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    I've made a YouTube playlist with the 100 most recent topics from ~music that have youtube.com in their URLs (this means a few of the videos aren't songs), available here. I scraped the links and...

    I've made a YouTube playlist with the 100 most recent topics from ~music that have youtube.com in their URLs (this means a few of the videos aren't songs), available here.

    I scraped the links and then made the playlist by hand but I'm looking into the YouTube API now to see if I can make it work programmatically and then have it update once every few days or something. (The YouTube API is insanely big 👀)

    7 votes
    1. Bauke
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      After some more work there is now a wiki page that includes all youtube.com videos as playlists and any playlists that were posted directly, sorted by when they were posted....

      After some more work there is now a wiki page that includes all youtube.com videos as playlists and any playlists that were posted directly, sorted by when they were posted. https://tildes.net/~music/wiki/youtube_playlister

      5 votes
    2. [2]
      Amarok
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      Don't reinvent the wheel if you don't have to, unless you enjoy that sort of thing of course. ;) Github is littered with tools for this stuff that already pull from reddit. Best coded one I know...

      Don't reinvent the wheel if you don't have to, unless you enjoy that sort of thing of course. ;)

      Github is littered with tools for this stuff that already pull from reddit. Best coded one I know of in python is Andreas' auto playlister which can pull from reddit to spotify. Shouldn't be hard to tweak it to pull from Tildes, and it'll save you the work on the spotify end. It's responsible for this ever rotating playlist which is one of listentothis' more popular features.

      Roni's old chrome extension that generates youtube playlists with a click from any reddit view can probably give you some ideas as well.

      6 votes
      1. Bauke
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        Making playlists is fairly straightforward so there's not much to reinvent. :P The bulk of the work is scraping Tildes (which I've become very adept at) and then integrating the results into the...

        Making playlists is fairly straightforward so there's not much to reinvent. :P The bulk of the work is scraping Tildes (which I've become very adept at) and then integrating the results into the proper APIs (which I'm still figuring out). But thanks for the resources anyways, it'll be useful to see how they work and what I can learn from them. :)

        Also Andreas' auto playlister is F#, not Python. Not that that matters as I'm working in TypeScript anyways. (^:

        3 votes
    3. monarda
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      That's pretty cool! I'm playing it right now.

      That's pretty cool! I'm playing it right now.

      1 vote
  2. Neverland
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    In a more niche use case, it would be neat to have a Playlist link in the sidebar of ~music, which would show media specific to that group's topics and comments. edit: and maybe some/all other...

    In a more niche use case, it would be neat to have a Playlist link in the sidebar of ~music, which would show media specific to that group's topics and comments.

    edit: and maybe some/all other groups too?

    6 votes
  3. ThatFanficGuy
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    Not sure how necessary or usable that is, but I find it a cool idea to have the list of the latest shared tracks (via YouTube, or SoundCloud, or Bandcamp, or whatever) in the sidebar, either in...

    Not sure how necessary or usable that is, but I find it a cool idea to have the list of the latest shared tracks (via YouTube, or SoundCloud, or Bandcamp, or whatever) in the sidebar, either in ~music specifically or anywhere (as an option in settings). That would sure as shit aid my music discovery process.

    6 votes
  4. cfabbro
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    An automatically created and maintained playlist for ~music could definitely be a neat idea, so I have added a gitlab issue for the suggestion: https://gitlab.com/tildes/tildes/issues/602 And...

    An automatically created and maintained playlist for ~music could definitely be a neat idea, so I have added a gitlab issue for the suggestion: https://gitlab.com/tildes/tildes/issues/602

    And since you mentioned it, the media type topic tags should probably be automatically applied too IMO, so I have created a gitlab issue for that as well: https://gitlab.com/tildes/tildes/issues/601

    6 votes
  5. balooga
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    This probably doesn't answer the question at all, but your post reminded me of an awesome site that was briefly online in 2011 called Listening Room. The idea is that anyone could create a "room"...

    This probably doesn't answer the question at all, but your post reminded me of an awesome site that was briefly online in 2011 called Listening Room. The idea is that anyone could create a "room" with a URL for sharing with friends. Everyone in a given room could listen to the same audio stream live, and chat about it on the page. The stream was literally a queue of MP3s room visitors uploaded themselves. It was a great space to hang out and discover new tunes collaboratively.

    Due to the legal and financial horrors of music licensing in the 21st century, the site didn't last very long. Literally a few days. The MetaFilter thread where I discovered the site is still available to document the site's rise and fall, and captures our mood about it at the time.

    I would love if there were a way to revisit the concept today on Tildes. If anything, TPTB on the internet are even less likely to permit it today than they were 9 years ago. Still a nice thought.

    4 votes
  6. [8]
    Deimos
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    I'm not really sure what you mean by making a playlist. Like would this be a playlist on YouTube or Spotify or some other platform that automatically updates and includes recent things that were...

    I'm not really sure what you mean by making a playlist. Like would this be a playlist on YouTube or Spotify or some other platform that automatically updates and includes recent things that were posted to Tildes?

    Or are you thinking more like a player that's hosted on Tildes itself that can just autoplay through the posts?

    4 votes
    1. [5]
      Amarok
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      It's the same general idea as the listentothis charts were. Capture a number of content views, generate wiki pages as charts sorting on various metrics, maybe offload that content to external...

      It's the same general idea as the listentothis charts were. Capture a number of content views, generate wiki pages as charts sorting on various metrics, maybe offload that content to external services like spotify using other tools. You have top music for a given time period sorted by popular, most comments, etc and playlists that will garner large subscriber followings on those other services. It all rolls along at a time delay from the site itself, auto-updating in perpetuity.

      You remember reddit.tv I'm sure - same concept there, videos from each community. They never did anything intelligent with it. Embedded players? Eh, no. That's better suited for an extension, though you could expose some sort of generic playlist view for it to use, just raw links, that would take some of the pain out of parsing titles. Tildes is just as suited to create podcasting playlists and book reading lists. This is really about making 'collections' of certain content types that can be packaged up and exported to users or other services.

      It's a strange thing to talk about - creating content views of your own content that live on other services. Not the sort of thing that a for-profit company would ever consider, since they have to maximize time on site. Tildes has the luxury of making a very different choice here.

      The value of this is a bit hard to see at first - those playlists and other content sets you generate on various services are kinda like the 'best of' tildes content served up easy for consumption separate from the website itself. You get to be the one to define 'best of' on official channels. The kicker is people have to come back here to submit content if they want to put anything into those lists themselves. It'll draw some of the best people back to the communities that generate the content. Leave a plug in the comments of the playlists - a short paragraph is usually all you get, but it's enough.

      It may be prudent to register things like a Tildes youtube and a Tildes spotify at some point to give that sort of thing a home.

      5 votes
      1. [4]
        Parliament
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        This thread is deja vu from six years ago.

        This thread is deja vu from six years ago.

        1 vote
        1. [3]
          Amarok
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          Except that here it might amount to something productive someday, unlike reddit. Get ~music bumping with about as many dedicated folks as are on Tildes in total right now, and it'll generate...

          Except that here it might amount to something productive someday, unlike reddit.

          Get ~music bumping with about as many dedicated folks as are on Tildes in total right now, and it'll generate content that puts other lists to shame, just like some smaller subs still do in their own quiet corners far from the front page.

          Maybe we should bring the concept of /r/listentous back for a while. It'd get ~music up past ten posts a day easy. Those elections are just the kind of crazy that fits in around here.

          3 votes
          1. Parliament
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            Won’t be me to get it pumping this time sadly. I’ve kinda shifted away from music exploration entirely and mainly listen to audiobooks and podcasts now.

            Won’t be me to get it pumping this time sadly. I’ve kinda shifted away from music exploration entirely and mainly listen to audiobooks and podcasts now.

            4 votes
          2. boredop
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            That election thread was a fun trip down memory lane, but five years further on I can't believe I ever had the time to dedicate to something like that – both running elections and posting songs...

            That election thread was a fun trip down memory lane, but five years further on I can't believe I ever had the time to dedicate to something like that – both running elections and posting songs every day for a month.

            3 votes
    2. Neverland
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      I meant something technically really simple. I was thinking of just a list of links to songs, podcasts, news analysis videos, etc. A view like https://tildes.net/?tag=abc, except that it allowed...

      I meant something technically really simple.

      I was thinking of just a list of links to songs, podcasts, news analysis videos, etc. A view like https://tildes.net/?tag=abc, except that it allowed filtering by audio/video as well.

      3 votes
    3. Neverland
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      I should add, that what I really want is both audio and video links to be parsed from comments as well as post links to audio/video. The comment part is key for the ~music sidebar use case.

      I should add, that what I really want is both audio and video links to be parsed from comments as well as post links to audio/video. The comment part is key for the ~music sidebar use case.

      3 votes
  7. Lawrencium265
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    I've been looking for a program or other way to automatically make a YouTube playlist from links and haven't found anything yet. I did find a way to make a list of urls from reddit using bash...

    I've been looking for a program or other way to automatically make a YouTube playlist from links and haven't found anything yet. I did find a way to make a list of urls from reddit using bash since all reddit pages can be .json files.
    You might be able to use YouTube-dl to scrape a tildes page and save a list of links that way.

    3 votes
  8. moocow1452
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    I brought forward the idea of having an inlayed player for Podcasts, but it worked out better to just link to the website. For curation, @ThatFanficGuy might be into something with a...

    I brought forward the idea of having an inlayed player for Podcasts, but it worked out better to just link to the website. For curation, @ThatFanficGuy might be into something with a YouTube/SoundCloud/Spotify Playlist, and if we had a tool that could do that, that would be kinda neat.

    2 votes