8 votes

The new actions drop-down

To be clear, I intellectually understand the 'actions' drop-down because I read about it in the announcement post. Thus, I was educated or I learned about it.

From the perspective of a new user it isn't entirely clear what is going on in my opinion. For the most part, it should be clear to most users what is meant by 'bookmark'. On the other hand, it isn't apparent what is meant by 'ignore'.

Even though I've been educated (somewhat since this may functionally change) I'm still fearful, unsure, or hesitant to click on it.

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  1. [11]
    Keegan
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    Sorry your post hasn't received any feedback about your concerns. I honestly agree with you that the ignore button isn't very intuitive. Perhaps hide post would be better? Or just hide? There's...

    Sorry your post hasn't received any feedback about your concerns. I honestly agree with you that the ignore button isn't very intuitive. Perhaps hide post would be better? Or just hide? There's certainly some room for improvement to be done.

    Basically I think the ignore button just makes it as if the post never even happened for you. This is useful for when you don't care too much about a post (such as a high activity one that would remain in your feed for a while).

    6 votes
    1. [8]
      hungariantoast
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      If I had to guess, I would say the reason "Ignore" was chosen over "Hide" is because the action causes the user to ignore any interactions with affected topics. They don't receive notifications,...

      If I had to guess, I would say the reason "Ignore" was chosen over "Hide" is because the action causes the user to ignore any interactions with affected topics. They don't receive notifications, they don't see it in listings, they're ignoring the topic.

      That's like, a super semantic explanation and I have no idea how accurate my above guess is, but whatevs.

      Anyways, I replied to @suspended's comment in the official topic, and I'm just going to include that reply here as well:

      Would it help if the actions said "Bookmark topic" and "Ignore topic"?

      I think you'd still catch new users up since they wouldn't exactly understand that "topic" means "post" here on Tildes, but that still might be an improvement over just "Bookmark" and "Ignore".

      8 votes
      1. [4]
        Deimos
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        Yeah, I deliberately decided to switch away from the established term here (both Reddit and Hacker News use "Hide"), because I've seen confusion in the past about what hiding a post does. I've...

        Yeah, I deliberately decided to switch away from the established term here (both Reddit and Hacker News use "Hide"), because I've seen confusion in the past about what hiding a post does. I've seen users that thought hiding a post would hide it from everyone else, almost like it was a kind of "soft delete", where nobody would see it any more. I've also seen new moderators with a similar impression, that had to ask what the difference between "hide" and "remove" was.

        One of the main reasons I like "ignore" is that I think it's much more clear that it only applies to you. It's a much more "personal" term, and I think it's really unlikely that anyone would believe they're affecting anyone else with it. You can certainly hide things from other people (arguably, hiding applies much more to other people, because you're the one who knows where it's hidden), but you can't make other people ignore something.

        (@Keegan)

        10 votes
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          hungariantoast
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          Describing the use of "ignore" as more personal makes a lot of sense actually. I had not thought of it that way. (I was close though!) And for what it's worth, I agree with the use of "Ignore"...

          Describing the use of "ignore" as more personal makes a lot of sense actually. I had not thought of it that way. (I was close though!)

          And for what it's worth, I agree with the use of "Ignore" instead of "Hide".

          That being said, I'm not sure there is a clear, distinct winner between "Ignore" and "Hide" as far as one being more understandable than the other. I would like to think that users who are already familiar with places like Reddit or Hacker News will just 'get it' when they read "Ignore" and automatically know what it means, but it's dangerous for me to make those kinds of assumptions.

          As for completely new users who don't have experience with other sites that have similar functionalities, I feel like I'm not qualified to comment on how they'll perceive it.

          However, if users not understanding what "Ignore" means becomes a problem, regardless of whether those users are coming from other communities or not, I feel like there is a really easy way to make the meaning of "Ignore" more immediately understandable:

          Just put an X, X, ✕, ☓, ✖, ✗, or ✘ in front of "Ignore", like this:

          • X Ignore
          • X Ignore
          • ✕ Ignore
          • ☓ Ignore
          • ✖ Ignore <-- I personally like this fat boy right here
          • ✗ Ignore
          • ✘ Ignore

          I don't know, in my tragically unqualified opinion I think that would boost the clarity of the meaning of "Ignore" up to 1,000. (I also think it'd make other things, like "Bookmark", look remarkably lonely without its own icon or whatever. It'd be playing a dangerous game, that's for sure.)

          7 votes
        2. tomf
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          I really like ignore, but I never had an issue with hide. Oddly enough, my sister double posted to reddit today and I was walking her through deleting one of them. She used hide because her...

          I really like ignore, but I never had an issue with hide.

          Oddly enough, my sister double posted to reddit today and I was walking her through deleting one of them. She used hide because her assumption is that the post would then be hidden from everyone, not just her. We probably spent ten minutes texting back and forth because she was certain the post was gone, but I was refreshing the 'new' feed and they were both there.

          With this context, ignore definitely makes more sense.

          5 votes
      2. [3]
        Keegan
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        Hm that does make sense then with the explanation. I think ignore topic might be better then. Bookmark can remain as is though, since that is simpler to understand, and is present in comments as...

        If I had to guess, I would say the reason "Ignore" was chosen over "Hide" is because the action causes the user to ignore any interactions with affected topics. They don't receive notifications, they don't see it in listings, they're ignoring the topic.

        Hm that does make sense then with the explanation. I think ignore topic might be better then. Bookmark can remain as is though, since that is simpler to understand, and is present in comments as well, so it wouldn't be consistent to change it.

        3 votes
        1. [2]
          hungariantoast
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          Well, if I had to guess, I'd say that this new ignore functionality is eventually going to also be made available for comments and comment threads. If that happens, then we would either need the...

          Well, if I had to guess, I'd say that this new ignore functionality is eventually going to also be made available for comments and comment threads. If that happens, then we would either need the button to say just "Ignore", for (like you said) consistency, or we would need to specify "Ignore topic" and "Ignore comment", which would probably mean doing the same thing for "Bookmark" (again, for consistency).

          Of course, that's assuming that we will be able to ingore comments and comment threads in the future. If/once that's the case, then I think just using "Ignore" and "Bookmark" would be the best way to go, rather than take up more screen space by writing out "Ignore topic", "Bookmark comment", blah blah blah.

          2 votes
          1. Keegan
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            Yeah screen space would become an issue I think, especially for mobile. That's probably the best way to do it.

            I think just using "Ignore" and "Bookmark" would be the best way to go, rather than take up more screen space by writing out "Ignore topic", "Bookmark comment", blah blah blah.

            Yeah screen space would become an issue I think, especially for mobile. That's probably the best way to do it.

            2 votes
    2. suspended
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      That's very good feedback. Thank you!

      That's very good feedback. Thank you!

      2 votes
    3. ThatFanficGuy
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      Tangential UI hell: imagine if "hide" would only ever hide itself on click.

      Tangential UI hell: imagine if "hide" would only ever hide itself on click.

      2 votes
  2. [11]
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      suspended
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      There could be a substantial amount of users who have unsubscribed from ~tildes.official

      There could be a substantial amount of users who have unsubscribed from ~tildes.official

      1 vote
      1. [4]
        cfabbro
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        I'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite. ~tildes = 11245 subscribers ~tildes.official = 11312 subscribers

        I'm pretty sure it's actually the opposite.

        ~tildes = 11245 subscribers
        ~tildes.official = 11312 subscribers

        4 votes
        1. [3]
          suspended
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          How do we know which of those users are active? Aside from splitting hairs, I'll post a new comment in the announcement post. On the other hand, I believe that this post should remain.

          How do we know which of those users are active? Aside from splitting hairs, I'll post a new comment in the announcement post. On the other hand, I believe that this post should remain.

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            cfabbro
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            Your call. I don't see a problem with it either way TBH. I was just pointing out that there are actually less subs here than the official group. And I actually know a few of the users who have...

            I believe that this post should remain.

            Your call. I don't see a problem with it either way TBH. I was just pointing out that there are actually less subs here than the official group. And I actually know a few of the users who have unsubbed from ~tildes (because it's too "meta" for them) but kept subbed to the official group so they don't miss any major announcements.

            4 votes
      2. [6]
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        1. suspended
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          Everyone here. Not necessarily. I tagged it as a discussion. I'm not trying to tell anyone whether or not I like or dislike anything on Tildes.

          Who is this post written for?

          Everyone here.

          Is it intended to be feedback to Deimos about his new feature?

          Not necessarily. I tagged it as a discussion.

          Or are you trying to tell everyone on Tildes you don't like the drop-down?

          I'm not trying to tell anyone whether or not I like or dislike anything on Tildes.

          5 votes
        2. [3]
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            1. [2]
              cfabbro
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              So why not say that at the start and then leave it at that? IMO all that your asking leading question after leading question does is annoy people, make them feel like they're being interrogated,...

              It seems inefficient for someone to split the discussion, and wouldn't provide the best outcome for the person trying to give their feedback.

              So why not say that at the start and then leave it at that? IMO all that your asking leading question after leading question does is annoy people, make them feel like they're being interrogated, and potentially discourage them from ever participating again.

              3 votes
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                1. cfabbro
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                  I understand that you're genuinely trying to improve yourself, your behavior, and how your actions/words are perceived... I truly do. And I have seen first hand that you have definitely done that...

                  I understand that you're genuinely trying to improve yourself, your behavior, and how your actions/words are perceived... I truly do. And I have seen first hand that you have definitely done that (improved, I mean), especially since your return, and I have even said so to several others. E.g. I saw your recent apologies, which I (and I'm sure others) appreciate more than I think you know. But unfortunately in this case, I think what you attempted to do (asking questions to help you understand others intent) has backfired pretty spectacularly. :P

                  And I totally understand why you might want to leave, or even feel you need to. Things do seem to go sideways for you a lot here... which has probably been partially (or even completely) my fault on more than one occasion... so I apologize for that, since my intent is absolutely not to drive you off. I don't want you to leave, I appreciate (most of ;) your contributions, and believe it or not, I genuinely would miss you if you did leave... That's all I can really say, I guess.

                  5 votes
        3. [2]
          cfabbro
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          Have you considered that it might be to: Open up discussion on the word choice Point out potential usability issues Suggest the meaning be made clearer somewhere Etc. There is no need to assume...

          Have you considered that it might be to:

          • Open up discussion on the word choice
          • Point out potential usability issues
          • Suggest the meaning be made clearer somewhere

          Etc. There is no need to assume the worst here, like you seem to be doing with your last question.

          2 votes
          1. [2]
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            1. cfabbro
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              Nobody said you were evil, but unfortunately, regardless of your intent, asking someone a seemingly relentless series of questions about their intentions, effectively asking them to justify their...

              Nobody said you were evil, but unfortunately, regardless of your intent, asking someone a seemingly relentless series of questions about their intentions, effectively asking them to justify their actions here, can come across as pestering, interrogating, or in some cases even an attempt to shame them.... which tends to discourage people from further participating.

              6 votes