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Can we consolidate the Coronavirus threads into a daily megapost?

20 of the posts on the front page right now are about the Coronavirus and a lot of them have no comments as it is just another update on the pandemic.

I want to get thoughts about posting a daily or once-every-three days megathread on ~health where we can discuss the ongoing developments instead of continuing to make separate posts for each new announcement.

It seems like that may help build discussion and stop pushing out other topics that may be of interest.

19 comments

  1. [10]
    hungariantoast
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    My suggestion would be to create a ~health.covid19[1] subgroup and limit most topics to that subgroup, like we did for Advent of Code. Then, in addition to that subgroup, have a weekly megathread...

    My suggestion would be to create a ~health.covid19[1] subgroup and limit most topics to that subgroup, like we did for Advent of Code.

    Then, in addition to that subgroup, have a weekly megathread in ~talk?

    I think that would strike a nice balance between letting users post and discuss individual updates, but also having a central place to discuss the general development of the pandemic over time.

    And then, if a huge piece of news gets posted to the subgroup (like the WHO declaring it a pandemic), we can just move the relevant topic to ~news or whichever group is most appropriate.


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    28 votes
    1. [5]
      Deimos
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      I think in theory the tagging system and/or "views" concept would be able to handle something like this well, but they're both not fleshed out enough at this point for that to be a good solution...

      I think in theory the tagging system and/or "views" concept would be able to handle something like this well, but they're both not fleshed out enough at this point for that to be a good solution right now.

      In the site's current state, I'd agree that a subgroup is probably best, since that makes it easiest to keep all the topics together, makes it fairly easy to avoid or check on them specifically (by unsubscribing from that group or visiting it directly), and also works well together with search and other aspects.

      A megathread is reasonable too and almost like a subgroup-inside-a-single-topic in some ways, but I think it's also worse overall: can't easily search across the comments in multiple of them, generally requires one user to be in charge of updating the main posts, etc.

      Let's wait a while to see some other users' input, but I'm certainly open to creating a subgroup if nothing else comes up.

      Edit: ~health.coronavirus created

      10 votes
      1. [4]
        cfabbro
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        I also agree with most of the others here that a dedicated group is probably the best idea for now, especially given the sheer volume of topics related to it being submitted. However, my only...

        I also agree with most of the others here that a dedicated group is probably the best idea for now, especially given the sheer volume of topics related to it being submitted. However, my only question is what would you plan on doing to all the topics submitted/moved there once the epidemic is over and the group is no longer needed?

        I suppose those of us with topic tag editing can try to make sure to tag the all articles with the group name of where the topic otherwise would have gone, so that when you eventually shut down the ~health.covid19 group you can more easily know where to migrate all the topics.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          Deimos
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          I'd just move them into ~health and add a tag or tags to them at the same time. That's what's already happened previously, for example ~comp.advent_of_code was deleted and all the topics moved...

          I'd just move them into ~health and add a tag or tags to them at the same time. That's what's already happened previously, for example ~comp.advent_of_code was deleted and all the topics moved into ~comp with the "advent of code.2019" tag.

          There's no need to tag them all in advance, I can just do it as part of the moving process eventually.

          7 votes
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            cfabbro
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            The issue I have with moving them all into ~health afterwards is that there are other, often far more applicable groups the topics should otherwise be in IMO. E.g. I recently submitted an article...

            The issue I have with moving them all into ~health afterwards is that there are other, often far more applicable groups the topics should otherwise be in IMO. E.g. I recently submitted an article to ~music about the Junos continuing as scheduled despite covid19, and while it would be fine in ~health, that's not really the ideal place it should end up after ~health.covid19 is deprecated.

            5 votes
            1. Deimos
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              Yeah, there's not going to be any perfect way to handle it that will account for all cases in advance, but there should be some things we can do. I'm going to create a subgroup and make a...

              Yeah, there's not going to be any perfect way to handle it that will account for all cases in advance, but there should be some things we can do. I'm going to create a subgroup and make a ~tildes.official post about it in a bit and that's one of the things I wanted to discuss, so let's talk about it in there.

              4 votes
    2. [2]
      skybrian
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      I've probably posted half of those links (I might be just a little obsessed with coronavirus right now) and I think this is a good idea. I'd much rather see each link as a separate topic. Topics...

      I've probably posted half of those links (I might be just a little obsessed with coronavirus right now) and I think this is a good idea.

      I'd much rather see each link as a separate topic. Topics are about sharing news links and these are links.

      9 votes
      1. emdash
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        Gotta' agree. There's many examples where 'megaposts' do work, especially for extended discussion, but often I feel like—especially on reddit—megaposts are used as a workaround for lack of site...

        Gotta' agree. There's many examples where 'megaposts' do work, especially for extended discussion, but often I feel like—especially on reddit—megaposts are used as a workaround for lack of site functionality, which is semantically incorrect.

        From what I can tell the correct approach here is consistent tagging + filtering for disinterested users, or segregation into a subgroup. Not a megapost for multiple links.

        10 votes
    3. emdash
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      This seems like the best idea, given that ~comp received an advent_of_code subgroup for that event!

      This seems like the best idea, given that ~comp received an advent_of_code subgroup for that event!

      6 votes
    4. kfwyre
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      I think this is a perfect solution. IIRC plenty of people have talked about how popular tags can signal the need for new groups, and this is a direct example of that happening. I also think that a...

      I think this is a perfect solution. IIRC plenty of people have talked about how popular tags can signal the need for new groups, and this is a direct example of that happening. I also think that a regular ~talk thread acting as an informal "temperature check" for users across the site is something that will likely become increasingly important should things continue to get worse.

      4 votes
  2. [6]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    A semi-related idea I had - there's already a way to filter out topic tags you're not interested in. What I would find useful in this scenario is a "quick toggle" for these filters - in other...

    A semi-related idea I had - there's already a way to filter out topic tags you're not interested in.

    What I would find useful in this scenario is a "quick toggle" for these filters - in other words, if I have it on, then my front page is covid-free. But I can switch it off if I want to see what the latest news on it is.

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      hungariantoast
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      @Deimos made this really neat comment a while ago (that I am never going to let him forget) and I think it more or less encompasses your idea:

      @Deimos made this really neat comment a while ago (that I am never going to let him forget) and I think it more or less encompasses your idea:

      It's not a fully fleshed out idea at all, and I don't know if I've even talked about it publicly at all before, but I have this general concept in my head of allowing users to create a bunch of different "views" that they can easily switch through and support any combination of things like only showing topics from particular groups, only showing (or filtering out) topics with particular tags, from particular domains, etc., and setting up different sorting and time periods for each view.

      Like you said, kind of like multireddits, but even more customizable. That way you'd be able to have a bunch of different views like "most upvoted news from today", "newest game deals", "most active ~talk posts today", and so on.

      11 votes
      1. Deimos
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        Don't worry, I'm definitely not going to forget. That's basically the main aspect of my long-term vision for the site.

        Don't worry, I'm definitely not going to forget. That's basically the main aspect of my long-term vision for the site.

        8 votes
    2. [3]
      bleem
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      the thing is people cant decide on what tag to tag the topics

      the thing is people cant decide on what tag to tag the topics

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        emdash
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        Wasn't it basically decided that coronaviruses.covid19 was the best approach? There was the discussion around semantics which was more just a diversion into interesting epidemiology, but no one is...

        Wasn't it basically decided that coronaviruses.covid19 was the best approach? There was the discussion around semantics which was more just a diversion into interesting epidemiology, but no one is seriously frustrated by the tags as far as I can tell.

        5 votes
        1. skybrian
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          Yeah, I preferred something else but I'm over it; it doesn't matter.

          Yeah, I preferred something else but I'm over it; it doesn't matter.

          2 votes
  3. [2]
    NaraVara
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    I can see pros and cons to both. A mega thread lets you have all the stuff in one place and makes it easy to search comments, but a subgroup more logically arranges the content and more cleanly...

    I can see pros and cons to both. A mega thread lets you have all the stuff in one place and makes it easy to search comments, but a subgroup more logically arranges the content and more cleanly separates developing information from commentary and opinion.

    Since this is a public information thing, I think a subgroup would probably work best for now, primarily because it lets the most people add information (a mega thread would need the thread-owner to keep updating) while also keeping things logically arranged and allowing us to sort chronologically. Then within the subgroup, it would probably be good to just have one big "discussion" thread and lock all posts for comments unless those comments are meant to question or clarify the post itself (i.e. no chit chat). That second part probably isn't a huge deal for Tildes since we're still small enough, but for cases where the spread of misinformation or internet mobbing might be high (think Boston Marathon bomber) it could probably put a lid on that sort of thing as groups get bigger.

    7 votes
    1. bleem
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      sub group is what I think. but what do I know

      sub group is what I think. but what do I know

      4 votes
  4. Deimos
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    I'm sure most people will notice anyway, but just in case someone comes across this topic directly somehow: a new group has been created, ~health.coronavirus Here's the ~tildes.official post about...

    I'm sure most people will notice anyway, but just in case someone comes across this topic directly somehow: a new group has been created, ~health.coronavirus

    Here's the ~tildes.official post about it with more detail.

    7 votes