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Are gas stations beginning to shut down yet, as part of the broader shift to electric vehicles?
I feel like this was forecasted for a few years, and I'm not sure if places are following through with it yet.
I looked it up, and found some articles, which I haven't vetted at all:
- https://www.the-sun.com/money/9078715/mass-gas-station-closures-across-country/
- https://www.thestreet.com/retail/major-oil-company-unloading-1000-of-its-retail-sites
- https://thefw.com/shell-gas-station-store-closings/
I don't know if the political situation in the US has slowed down the gas station closures, but I'm really not interested in turning this topic into politics talk, so please save that for another topic. I'm also definitely curious what's happening outside the US, I want to hear the facts and numbers, out of curiosity for how quickly this is happening, or not happening.
I don't think there's any massive shift going on yet, as non-electric vehicles still are extremely widely used. 500 closures of Shell stations is about 4% of their US total of stations, and could be seen as a response to customer demand shifting slightly, sure, and they're just one of many brands. Use of EVs might also be higher percentages in particular geographic locations so it makes sense for brands to strategize around having gas stations in areas where they're used more and closing ones that don't perform as well.
Other stations, like my local Sheetz stations, have introduced chargers as part of what they offer. I think gas station brands doing this will probably be the more common route (just conjecture, but the money in stations is often made in the convenience store, not selling gas, and electric vehicle charging times, in some cases, make a convenience store / restaurant even more compelling). I think a number of companies will adapt over time, but I think this entire transition (if there even is one at all in any reasonable amount of time) is going to be extremely gradual
To me, Shell closing gas stations signals that they might be pulling back from consumer refueling stations in general. I say this because they completely pulled out of the Hydrogen refueling network in California just last year. Then more recently, they dropped out of the 3rd party EV charging market (basically an arrangement where the infrastructure itself isn't necessarily owned by Shell, but operates using their software for a cut of the profit). In fact, despite the article I've linked saying they would keep the service running until the end of April, I know from experience they've already shut the service off because I routinely use a couple stations near my workplace that were affected.
So I'm unconvinced that they're doing this to "better meet customer needs when it comes to EVs". I suppose if you give them the benefit of the doubt, you might be able to infer that their plan is to focus on Shell owned L3 EV charging and cut back on everything else. But even that seems dubious. The couple times I had to rely on their L3 stations, have been some of my worst public charging experiences, to the point I now just filter them out when looking for a place to charge. It's not the people, wait time or locations, its their buggy software and hardware.
I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this, other than it could be Shell is being less than forthcoming about what their actual plans/goals are. Maybe Shell isn't feeling great about it's own finances and is looking to cut costs?
This seems likely to me. A year or so ago a smaller charging network I had an account with got bought by shell, and things have been pretty tumultuous with Shell's management aparantly. The app I used to charge originally was discontinued in favor of something called "Shell Recharge" and that was just announced to be discontinued as well. From my limited experience with them, it seems pretty clear that they don't really know what they're doing right now.
I think they're replacing Shell Recharge with Shell Fuel right? The last time I tried to use one of their L3 chargers back in November or so, both apps sort of tried to work, but errored out. Ultimately, I think the hardware was at fault, but the fact it wasn't clear which app I was supposed to use combined with vague unhelpful error messages lead me to stay there trying to charge in the cold for longer than I would have otherwise. Based on that and a few other personal experiences, I could absolutely believe they just don't really know what their doing.
I don't really know. I just skimmed the email and just decided to take no action. The only chargers they have in my area are in an odd area, and I only used it because I needed some emergency juice one time. The charging experience wasn't great then and getting set up for the transition to Shell Recharge just so that my pennies in the account wouldn't evaporate was a real headache and a half. I'm not going to opt-in to another one.
I've seen abandoned gas stations around, but I don't think it has anything to do with EVs. Most of the ones I see have been shutdown since at least 2005 (you can date them based on the remaining prices) and are just slowly being reclaimed by nature. I suspect that the biggest factor was the rise of a few larger ones which were consistently 5-10c cheaper.
As well as more people going to dealers, and not the mechanics which were often housed at the same station.
One local gas station near me still does $20 tire patches, so they'll be getting my business well into my EV ownership. I should probably tell them to install a few fast chargers...
My indirect answer is that I don’t think we’re there yet. A friend of mine lives in a condo which was more than happy to let him set up a charger. Turns out that the way the electrical was originally set up, the system could only handle a maximum of two chargers with a $10k install unless he was willing to pay for a direct feed from the grid with his own circuit box.
I think the prevalence of EVs has a lot to do with your crowd. I know a couple of people that have them. There is a lot to dislike about what’s currently available, nobody (in the us) seems to be offering a basic car that isn’t all touchscreens and subscriptions.
Have you seen that post a few days back about the Slate? It's not even going to have a stereo built into the standard model.
Granted, it's not actually available to purchase right now.
I did not. I’ll check it out.
Anecdotally, I haven't seen any gas stations closing. But here in Los Angeles the EV charging stations have gone from reasonable availability to every station within 20 miles always having lines with at least 30 mins wait time. Just in the last 2-3 years.
I charge in my garage overnight, so its usually fine. But i tell people living here to not get an EV unless they are sure they have a good charging situation at home or in their apartment building.
I have a Kia that can't use Tesla stations, so that might have an effect. And I keep hearing that will change soon and adapters will be possible.
Kia EVs have access to Tesla superchargers as of about last week. You can either buy Kia's adapter or get a third-party one, although Kia claims you should only use their one.
In my parts, we used to have the waiting problem at public chargers, but the last two years has seen explosive growth in public chargers availability. A shopping center near my house had a bank of about 10 or 15 quick chargers at first, then they installed another six on the other side last year, and the start of this year had another dozen tesla superchargers installed nearby.
But when I was driving regularly to Santa Clarita the experience was terrible. Many places just had a single unit (to charge two cars). The most chargers I saw at one place was 6, and all of them were pretty far from one another so if you had an emergency you could be pretty SoL.
Several new gas stations have been recently constructed in my area (Suburban Chicagoland), although some of them have EV chargers included as well as the gas pumps, but usually in much lower numbers. EV adoption has been pretty good around here too. While I don't have statistics, I see plenty of EVs on the road every day here, and I drive one myself.
Anecdotally, I've noticed several gas stations here in Norway removing some of their pumps. I talked about it with the person behind the counter in one of them (where I occasionally buy lunch), and they said the company plans to install charging stations in place of the removed pumps.
tbf, Norway has such a high number of EVs by comparison that you'd definitely expect such things to start there.
Recently one of the stations in Oslo replaced not just a few, but all of their fuel pumps with electrical chargers. Chargers at gas stations are so common now that I'm surprised it even made the headlines, but I guess they were the first ones to go all in on replacing fossil fuel with electric or something