I hope they have endings to major plot threads already planned out. I appreciated how Discovery S1 ended, wrapping up the Klingon war and opening the door for knew stories, rather than just...
I hope they have endings to major plot threads already planned out. I appreciated how Discovery S1 ended, wrapping up the Klingon war and opening the door for knew stories, rather than just dragging the same story on until cancellation.
Same here. I liked that with Discovery, they never said one way or the other that "it's about the Klingon war" or "it's about Michael Burnham's journey" or anything specific. That gives them...
Same here. I liked that with Discovery, they never said one way or the other that "it's about the Klingon war" or "it's about Michael Burnham's journey" or anything specific. That gives them license to figure things out as they go, and cut off threads at their natural conclusion.
I watch Discovery when I really want to get INTO Star Trek.
Conversely, I watch "The Orville" when I'm cooking or trying to decompress after intensive work. When threads do/don't get wrapped up in the Orville, I won't notice or worry about it.
Interesting. I thoroughly enjoy The Orville but it's not a show I watch while doing something else or just unwinding. I think it's a wonderful show. However, there is nothing in the Alpha Quadrant...
Interesting. I thoroughly enjoy The Orville but it's not a show I watch while doing something else or just unwinding. I think it's a wonderful show.
However, there is nothing in the Alpha Quadrant that gets me excited and into the moment quite like ST. I'm about to watch the latest episode of Disco right now.
Bit of a double edged sword. Next Generation, for example, took some time to smooth itself out and was helped by being episodic, so that the writing team could sort of figure it out as they went...
Bit of a double edged sword. Next Generation, for example, took some time to smooth itself out and was helped by being episodic, so that the writing team could sort of figure it out as they went and make changes. It this is good, then having a roadmap is great. But if it's bad, then we're kind of stuck with either 3 seasons of bad, or they frantically switch directions and have no idea what to do.
Question: Do we know anything about whether a star ship will be involved or anything Federation related? The sense I get is that it is going to be the Picard we know, but not the one we remember...
Question: Do we know anything about whether a star ship will be involved or anything Federation related?
The sense I get is that it is going to be the Picard we know, but not the one we remember if that makes sense.
Either way, I can't even tell you how excited I am about seeing him on screen again. And seeing old characters would just be absolutely brilliant!
No. We don't know anything about the series beyond these few hints: It's about Jean-Luc Picard. It will show an older Picard who has changed. There may be Romulans, or at least a Romulan...
Question: Do we know anything about whether a star ship will be involved or anything Federation related?
No. We don't know anything about the series beyond these few hints:
It's about Jean-Luc Picard.
It will show an older Picard who has changed.
There may be Romulans, or at least a Romulan influence.
I don't really speculate. It's not my thing. However, everyone else seems to enjoy imagining shows that are never actually going to happen, so I might as well have a go. Maybe running a Star Trek...
I don't really speculate. It's not my thing. However, everyone else seems to enjoy imagining shows that are never actually going to happen, so I might as well have a go. Maybe running a Star Trek subreddit for 5+ years can finally be useful! :)
We know the show will be set about 20 years after the events of 'Nemesis', and we also know, thanks to 'Star Trek' (2009), that the Hobus supernova destroyed Romulus about 10 years after the events of 'Nemesis'. So the show will be set in a post-Hobus Alpha Quadrant.
And they've told us we're going to see a different, "radically altered" Jean-Luc Picard.
I reckon we're going to get a show about Picard the diplomat. He'll be a trouble-shooter with a roving brief, rather than an ambassador to one species. And, to help him get to trouble spots fast, he'll have a Starfleet ship assigned to him, with its own captain and crew. He'll tell them where to take him, but they run the ship. We'll see Picard deal with a different problem every week, because diplomatic issues keep flaring up all over the place.
And an ongoing issue in the background will be the Romulans. The destruction of Romulus is going to disrupt Alpha Quadrant politics immensely. The Romulans are now a people without a homeworld. There'll be survivors from the destroyed homeworld wandering around, looking for a new homeworld. There'll be former Romulan subject planets who've broken free from Romulan rule. There'll be Romulan colonies. But there won't be a Romulus. Romulans might not be a main power any more, but they'll be a major disruption. So, I think that they'll pop up in the series from time to time, as Picard the roving diplomat has to deal with yet another problem caused by the Romulans.
But, mostly, I think it'll be Ambassador Picard visiting diplomatic trouble spots around the Alpha Quadrant.
Oh shit. Please forgive me as I'll delay responding to your comment for now but I wondered from where I recognized you! I've barely been on Tildes for a day and I'm already loving this place haha....
Oh shit. Please forgive me as I'll delay responding to your comment for now but I wondered from where I recognized you!
I've barely been on Tildes for a day and I'm already loving this place haha.
You know I've always been terrified to post in that sub, as while I have seen every show every movie, I just don't know enough to feel like I can engage properly. So I've used the first watch analysis thread of the new series to post a comment here and there.
But damn, I've read a lot of your comments over the years! Got me through some hard times haha.
Are you no longer a moderator there or am I getting this wrong? If so, would you be able to comment as to why?
Either way, pleasure to run into you here. Will comment later on what you said. Thank you!
Haha indeed on both counts. Forgive me it's been a decade since I've seen the movie. So, in the Kelvin timeline, I recall Spock (from Prime timeline) tried to save Romulus from the Hobus...
However, everyone else seems to enjoy imagining shows that are never actually going to happen, so I might as well have a go. Maybe running a Star Trek subreddit for 5+ years can finally be useful! :)
Haha indeed on both counts.
We know the show will be set about 20 years after the events of 'Nemesis', and we also know, thanks to 'Star Trek' (2009), that the Hobus supernova destroyed Romulus about 10 years after the events of 'Nemesis'. So the show will be set in a post-Hobus Alpha Quadrant.
Forgive me it's been a decade since I've seen the movie. So, in the Kelvin timeline, I recall Spock (from Prime timeline) tried to save Romulus from the Hobus supernova, using red matter and such, but failed in his time. So when him and Nero went back into time, the Kelvin timeline gets created.
Does this mean in the Prime timeline, the star would go supernova anyway except this time nobody would be there to stop it?
I reckon we're going to get a show about Picard the diplomat. He'll be a trouble-shooter with a roving brief, rather than an ambassador to one species. And, to help him get to trouble spots fast, he'll have a Starfleet ship assigned to him, with its own captain and crew. He'll tell them where to take him, but they run the ship. We'll see Picard deal with a different problem every week, because diplomatic issues keep flaring up all over the place.
I love that. Particularly the idea of formerly captain Picard on a Starship that isn't his. So they have a mission to facilitate Picard's missions but I can see a lot of tension and hijinks that can result from such a dynamic! Very interesting.
And an ongoing issue in the background will be the Romulans. The destruction of Romulus is going to disrupt Alpha Quadrant politics immensely. The Romulans are now a people without a homeworld. There'll be survivors from the destroyed homeworld wandering around, looking for a new homeworld. There'll be former Romulan subject planets who've broken free from Romulan rule. There'll be Romulan colonies. But there won't be a Romulus. Romulans might not be a main power any more, but they'll be a major disruption. So, I think that they'll pop up in the series from time to time, as Picard the roving diplomat has to deal with yet another problem caused by the Romulans.
That's really cool. I like the idea of Romulans not as major power but a major disrupter. As a situation they didn't cause took away much of their power, but the Romulans are still Romulans so you know they're going to be up to something and be good at it.
I hope we don't get Picard the action hero...
Yeah, same haha.
Honestly, I'm really looking forward to it. For some reason I imagine a lot of sadness at some points in the story. Maybe we find out some beloved character or another has died. Relationships will have changed. I think we got glimpses of that in the original show in an episode or another. So I suspect something like that will be shown.
I miss having a character like Picard on the airwaves. And the reason I miss him is certainly not for his action stuff (however much I may have enjoyed that).
So I hope you are right!
And once again, it is a pleasure running into you here. As I alluded to, I had been a lurker for years over on that sub. And would always take note of your comments.
The supernova happened in the Prime timeline. Spock tried to stop it, but he failed because he didn't get there quick enough to prevent it. The Hobus star went nova, and Romulus was destroyed....
So, in the Kelvin timeline, I recall Spock (from Prime timeline) tried to save Romulus from the Hobus supernova, using red matter and such, but failed in his time. So when him and Nero went back into time, the Kelvin timeline gets created.
Does this mean in the Prime timeline, the star would go supernova anyway except this time nobody would be there to stop it?
The supernova happened in the Prime timeline. Spock tried to stop it, but he failed because he didn't get there quick enough to prevent it. The Hobus star went nova, and Romulus was destroyed. That's why Nero was chasing Spock - because he blamed Spock for the destruction of his home planet. That all happened in the Prime timeline.
After the Hobus star went supernova, Spock threw his red matter at it to try to prevent it destroying more star systems (after it had already destroyed Romulus). The red matter interacted with the supernova, and Nero and Spock were thrown back in time. Their arrival in the past created a new timeline, the Kelvin timeline. In the Kelvin timeline, the supernova hadn't happened yet (it was over 100 years in the future). In the Prime timeline, the supernova had already happened, and Romulus was already destroyed. It was destroyed, it will be destroyed, it has will have been destroyed. That won't change. (The writers would be foolish not to take this opportunity for conflict and include it in the premise of a new Picard series!)
Particularly the idea of formerly captain Picard on a Starship that isn't his. So they have a mission to facilitate Picard's missions but I can see a lot of tension and hijinks that can result from such a dynamic!
Exactly. Every show needs a source of tension and conflict to make drama happen. One of the sources of conflict in this imaginary series of mine is having Picard deal with not being in command of a ship, and having the captain of the ship deal with a legendary ex-captain not being in command of their ship. ;) It'll be a bit sad and frustrating for Picard not to be able to give the orders. And it gives a chance for the captain to say "no" to Picard when some other urgent mission comes up.
As a situation they didn't cause took away much of their power, but the Romulans are still Romulans so you know they're going to be up to something and be good at it.
It also adds some depth to the Romulans because they're not just villains any more - they're also victims. It adds complexity. Do you feel sorry for the poor Romulans who don't have a home, or angry at the evil Romulans trying to take someone else's home? Nothing is black and white with them any more.
Maybe we find out some beloved character or another has died. Relationships will have changed. I think we got glimpses of that in the original show in an episode or another.
Of course things will have changed: relationships will have evolved, people will have moved on, and so on. The episode you're thinking of is the finale 'All Good Things...', where we got flashes of a possible future for the TNG characters. Of course, that was only one possible future, and Q made it clear that it's not fixed in stone, so we can have a different future. We already know Data is dead. And Brent Spiner is in no physical shape to play a never-aging android, so even B4 is going to be difficult to include. But, Will and Deanna got married 20 years ago. Did they have children? Did they even stay together? Did Jean-Luc and Beverly get married? What happened to Worf after he accepted the diplomatic post on Qo'Nos? A new series gives the writers a chance to show what happened to the old characters, as Picard runs into them during the course of his various missions.
I like that they’re thinking ahead and not just figuring it out as they go.
I hope they have endings to major plot threads already planned out. I appreciated how Discovery S1 ended, wrapping up the Klingon war and opening the door for knew stories, rather than just dragging the same story on until cancellation.
Same here. I liked that with Discovery, they never said one way or the other that "it's about the Klingon war" or "it's about Michael Burnham's journey" or anything specific. That gives them license to figure things out as they go, and cut off threads at their natural conclusion.
I watch Discovery when I really want to get INTO Star Trek.
Conversely, I watch "The Orville" when I'm cooking or trying to decompress after intensive work. When threads do/don't get wrapped up in the Orville, I won't notice or worry about it.
Different standards apply.
Interesting. I thoroughly enjoy The Orville but it's not a show I watch while doing something else or just unwinding. I think it's a wonderful show.
However, there is nothing in the Alpha Quadrant that gets me excited and into the moment quite like ST. I'm about to watch the latest episode of Disco right now.
How have you found the second season so far?
Bit of a double edged sword. Next Generation, for example, took some time to smooth itself out and was helped by being episodic, so that the writing team could sort of figure it out as they went and make changes. It this is good, then having a roadmap is great. But if it's bad, then we're kind of stuck with either 3 seasons of bad, or they frantically switch directions and have no idea what to do.
Question: Do we know anything about whether a star ship will be involved or anything Federation related?
The sense I get is that it is going to be the Picard we know, but not the one we remember if that makes sense.
Either way, I can't even tell you how excited I am about seeing him on screen again. And seeing old characters would just be absolutely brilliant!
No. We don't know anything about the series beyond these few hints:
It's about Jean-Luc Picard.
It will show an older Picard who has changed.
There may be Romulans, or at least a Romulan influence.
That's it.
Interesting.
Would you have any hypotheses about what it could be about? And please, feel free to speculate as much as you like.
I don't really speculate. It's not my thing. However, everyone else seems to enjoy imagining shows that are never actually going to happen, so I might as well have a go. Maybe running a Star Trek subreddit for 5+ years can finally be useful! :)
We know the show will be set about 20 years after the events of 'Nemesis', and we also know, thanks to 'Star Trek' (2009), that the Hobus supernova destroyed Romulus about 10 years after the events of 'Nemesis'. So the show will be set in a post-Hobus Alpha Quadrant.
And they've told us we're going to see a different, "radically altered" Jean-Luc Picard.
I reckon we're going to get a show about Picard the diplomat. He'll be a trouble-shooter with a roving brief, rather than an ambassador to one species. And, to help him get to trouble spots fast, he'll have a Starfleet ship assigned to him, with its own captain and crew. He'll tell them where to take him, but they run the ship. We'll see Picard deal with a different problem every week, because diplomatic issues keep flaring up all over the place.
And an ongoing issue in the background will be the Romulans. The destruction of Romulus is going to disrupt Alpha Quadrant politics immensely. The Romulans are now a people without a homeworld. There'll be survivors from the destroyed homeworld wandering around, looking for a new homeworld. There'll be former Romulan subject planets who've broken free from Romulan rule. There'll be Romulan colonies. But there won't be a Romulus. Romulans might not be a main power any more, but they'll be a major disruption. So, I think that they'll pop up in the series from time to time, as Picard the roving diplomat has to deal with yet another problem caused by the Romulans.
But, mostly, I think it'll be Ambassador Picard visiting diplomatic trouble spots around the Alpha Quadrant.
I hope we don't get Picard the action hero...
Oh shit. Please forgive me as I'll delay responding to your comment for now but I wondered from where I recognized you!
I've barely been on Tildes for a day and I'm already loving this place haha.
You know I've always been terrified to post in that sub, as while I have seen every show every movie, I just don't know enough to feel like I can engage properly. So I've used the first watch analysis thread of the new series to post a comment here and there.
But damn, I've read a lot of your comments over the years! Got me through some hard times haha.
Are you no longer a moderator there or am I getting this wrong? If so, would you be able to comment as to why?
Either way, pleasure to run into you here. Will comment later on what you said. Thank you!
Here you go.
Thank you.
Haha indeed on both counts.
Forgive me it's been a decade since I've seen the movie. So, in the Kelvin timeline, I recall Spock (from Prime timeline) tried to save Romulus from the Hobus supernova, using red matter and such, but failed in his time. So when him and Nero went back into time, the Kelvin timeline gets created.
Does this mean in the Prime timeline, the star would go supernova anyway except this time nobody would be there to stop it?
I love that. Particularly the idea of formerly captain Picard on a Starship that isn't his. So they have a mission to facilitate Picard's missions but I can see a lot of tension and hijinks that can result from such a dynamic! Very interesting.
That's really cool. I like the idea of Romulans not as major power but a major disrupter. As a situation they didn't cause took away much of their power, but the Romulans are still Romulans so you know they're going to be up to something and be good at it.
Yeah, same haha.
Honestly, I'm really looking forward to it. For some reason I imagine a lot of sadness at some points in the story. Maybe we find out some beloved character or another has died. Relationships will have changed. I think we got glimpses of that in the original show in an episode or another. So I suspect something like that will be shown.
I miss having a character like Picard on the airwaves. And the reason I miss him is certainly not for his action stuff (however much I may have enjoyed that).
So I hope you are right!
And once again, it is a pleasure running into you here. As I alluded to, I had been a lurker for years over on that sub. And would always take note of your comments.
The supernova happened in the Prime timeline. Spock tried to stop it, but he failed because he didn't get there quick enough to prevent it. The Hobus star went nova, and Romulus was destroyed. That's why Nero was chasing Spock - because he blamed Spock for the destruction of his home planet. That all happened in the Prime timeline.
After the Hobus star went supernova, Spock threw his red matter at it to try to prevent it destroying more star systems (after it had already destroyed Romulus). The red matter interacted with the supernova, and Nero and Spock were thrown back in time. Their arrival in the past created a new timeline, the Kelvin timeline. In the Kelvin timeline, the supernova hadn't happened yet (it was over 100 years in the future). In the Prime timeline, the supernova had already happened, and Romulus was already destroyed. It was destroyed, it will be destroyed, it has will have been destroyed. That won't change. (The writers would be foolish not to take this opportunity for conflict and include it in the premise of a new Picard series!)
Exactly. Every show needs a source of tension and conflict to make drama happen. One of the sources of conflict in this imaginary series of mine is having Picard deal with not being in command of a ship, and having the captain of the ship deal with a legendary ex-captain not being in command of their ship. ;) It'll be a bit sad and frustrating for Picard not to be able to give the orders. And it gives a chance for the captain to say "no" to Picard when some other urgent mission comes up.
It also adds some depth to the Romulans because they're not just villains any more - they're also victims. It adds complexity. Do you feel sorry for the poor Romulans who don't have a home, or angry at the evil Romulans trying to take someone else's home? Nothing is black and white with them any more.
Of course things will have changed: relationships will have evolved, people will have moved on, and so on. The episode you're thinking of is the finale 'All Good Things...', where we got flashes of a possible future for the TNG characters. Of course, that was only one possible future, and Q made it clear that it's not fixed in stone, so we can have a different future. We already know Data is dead. And Brent Spiner is in no physical shape to play a never-aging android, so even B4 is going to be difficult to include. But, Will and Deanna got married 20 years ago. Did they have children? Did they even stay together? Did Jean-Luc and Beverly get married? What happened to Worf after he accepted the diplomatic post on Qo'Nos? A new series gives the writers a chance to show what happened to the old characters, as Picard runs into them during the course of his various missions.