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Christopher Eccleston returns to Doctor Who - Big Finish

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  1. [4]
    moocow1452
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    I'm not entirely sure where to put this, but it seems notable to the right audience.

    Christopher Eccleston returns to the role of the Ninth Doctor in 12 brand new adventures, available on CD, download and limited edition gatefold triple LP vinyl.

    I'm not entirely sure where to put this, but it seems notable to the right audience.

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      Eabryt
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      Interesting. I haven't watched any Doctor Who since about midway through Smith's run, didn't Eccleston leave on bad terms?

      Interesting. I haven't watched any Doctor Who since about midway through Smith's run, didn't Eccleston leave on bad terms?

      1 vote
      1. moocow1452
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        Yes, but rumors had it that his issue was with how production was being dealt with, and he probably wants cash/remote acting work more than he dislikes the property.

        Yes, but rumors had it that his issue was with how production was being dealt with, and he probably wants cash/remote acting work more than he dislikes the property.

        4 votes
  2. [17]
    Qis
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    Oof! Too little too late. This would have been big news to me seven or eight years ago. This show really couldn't keep its head on for long enough to retain my interest. I have had to consign it...

    Oof! Too little too late. This would have been big news to me seven or eight years ago. This show really couldn't keep its head on for long enough to retain my interest. I have had to consign it to a category of stuff-I-found-out-later-was-just-for-children. A lot of the moments in this series that my friends and I bonded over fall very flat to me now. The season with Chris Eccleston had some of the least cringe-worthy material, but on the whole I find it all pretty much unwatchable now, including the classic serials which might have had a camp factor but are actually mostly poor-quality productions! It's a dang shame.

    3 votes
    1. [15]
      Adys
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      Indeed. Matt Smith made the show unwatchable by trying to replicate Tennant's success and I don't think it ever really recovered from that, especially since guest writers thought Doctor Who was a...

      Indeed. Matt Smith made the show unwatchable by trying to replicate Tennant's success and I don't think it ever really recovered from that, especially since guest writers thought Doctor Who was a free license to try to do the most absurd shit possible just to say they did it. "Dinosaurs on a spaceship?! Let's kill hitler!". Or worse, when they thought meeting Rosa Parks would be tasteful — taking important pieces of history (especially non-british history) and involving the Doctor in them is in awful taste imo. Same for Van Gogh.

      Eccleston is my man.

      2 votes
      1. [8]
        TheJorro
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        Matt Smith didn't do any harm to the role, he did his take on the Doctor well. Really, he was better than Tennant's second half of a melodramatic romantic because he played it more as an old man...

        Matt Smith didn't do any harm to the role, he did his take on the Doctor well. Really, he was better than Tennant's second half of a melodramatic romantic because he played it more as an old man hiding the pain of his long life through youthful aloofness. The few times in his run when he broke that, it was electrifying. He deserved his BAFTA wins handily.

        If there was any letdown during his run, it was the writing. Moffat's go-nowhere plot arcs really killed the momentum of the show, repeatedly, and it was a problem that went on into Capaldi's run.

        But the show has always had stupid storylines. Eccleston as the Doctor only got three good episodes in his entire run, and two of them were a two-parter, so it was just one story (and, interestingly, written by Moffat). Capaldi's run has the single worst episode of the show in modern memory: Kill the Moon.

        I don't see the issue with the Van Gogh episode. It was very tasteful and got a lot of acclaim for an honest portrayal of depression.

        7 votes
        1. [5]
          SkewedSideburn
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          As hbomberguy (I think) said: Moffat knows how to write an episode. But he doesn't know how to write a whole season.

          interestingly, written by Moffat

          As hbomberguy (I think) said: Moffat knows how to write an episode. But he doesn't know how to write a whole season.

          5 votes
          1. [4]
            Adys
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            Would you be able to find the video in question? I'd love to watch it.

            Would you be able to find the video in question? I'd love to watch it.

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              SkewedSideburn
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              It's about Sherlock and it's pretty long, but here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkoGBOs5ecM He talks about Doctor Who somewhere in the first 10 minutes

              It's about Sherlock and it's pretty long, but here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkoGBOs5ecM
              He talks about Doctor Who somewhere in the first 10 minutes

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              1. Adys
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                Oh haha, I've seen it; it's in my favourites even. I think it was linked on Tildes before… Great video.

                Oh haha, I've seen it; it's in my favourites even. I think it was linked on Tildes before… Great video.

              2. TheJorro
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                I rewatched that vidoe just on Saturday, actually. He really nailed the problems we all eventually developed with Moffat's writing.

                I rewatched that vidoe just on Saturday, actually. He really nailed the problems we all eventually developed with Moffat's writing.

        2. [2]
          Adys
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          I remember being excited about the prospect of Moffat being the showrunner seeing as he wrote some of the best material in the series. Boyyyyy was I wrong. Which episodes are you referring to out...

          I remember being excited about the prospect of Moffat being the showrunner seeing as he wrote some of the best material in the series.

          Boyyyyy was I wrong.

          Which episodes are you referring to out of curiosity? I'm guessing Father's Day, The Doctor Dances and Bad Wolf?

          Interesting take on Smith. I'll think about it and might reply back later.

          1. TheJorro
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            The Doctor Dances was the two-parter, and Dalek was the other episode. I loved Eccleston's Doctor, don't get me wrong, he's still my favourite. But he had the fewest good episodes IMO, even though...

            The Doctor Dances was the two-parter, and Dalek was the other episode. I loved Eccleston's Doctor, don't get me wrong, he's still my favourite. But he had the fewest good episodes IMO, even though I enjoy watching his season. It wasn't anyone's fault, it was just some first season limitations and a "throwing ideas at a wall" sort of approach to writing that first season culminating in some... bad moments (the farting aliens in the Slitheen were just... why?).

            The Doctor Dances is probably one of the best stories in the entire new series run, I think that one stands by itself. I really liked Dalek because we got to see a side of Eccleston's Doctor that I don't think any of the other iterations could match: that sheer PTSD rage. Matt Smith and Capaldi could do angry well but Eccelston's desperate and uncompromising anger was something else.

            For Smith, I think it makes sense to go back and watch him as if he's a doddering old man personality-wise. His Doctor play-acts the fool quite a lot but the turn by the end of the episode is usually that he's wise enough to have noticed other things the entire time that lead to a reasonable conclusion. I felt that Tenant's run went off the rails by the last few seasons as his Doctor kind of pinged around a few different extremes, from egocentricism to sad-boy romanticism. Smith's Doctor doesn't really complement the end of Tenant's Doctor very well but, in isolation, I feel like he was one of the more interesting portrayals up to that point.

      2. [3]
        Qis
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        I have a hard time blaming Matt Smith's performance specifically but I was definitely over it by the end of his tenure. I never dipped into the Capaldi era and I have only peeked at the Whitaker...

        I have a hard time blaming Matt Smith's performance specifically but I was definitely over it by the end of his tenure. I never dipped into the Capaldi era and I have only peeked at the Whitaker episodes. I had not heard about a Rosa Parks adventure, that seems like a highwire act I would not have attempted oh boyy.

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          drannex
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          The Rosa Parks episode was absolutely fantastic and tastefully done. That was not Smiths session, that was far later with the latest Doctor (Jodie Whitracker), with her companions (she has 3)...

          The Rosa Parks episode was absolutely fantastic and tastefully done.

          That was not Smiths session, that was far later with the latest Doctor (Jodie Whitracker), with her companions (she has 3) being mostly POC dealing with the events directly.

          1. Adys
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            Yeah sorry didn't mean to imply it was Smith. I believe Van Gogh was Smith though. There's a couple more episodes that left a similarly bad almost-colonialist taste in my mouth but I can't really...

            Yeah sorry didn't mean to imply it was Smith. I believe Van Gogh was Smith though. There's a couple more episodes that left a similarly bad almost-colonialist taste in my mouth but I can't really remember them anymore.

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        arp242
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        Why was this not "tasteful"? And what's wrong with involving non-British history?

        when they thought meeting Rosa Parks would be tasteful — taking important pieces of history (especially non-british history) and involving the Doctor in them is in awful taste imo. Same for Van Gogh.

        Why was this not "tasteful"? And what's wrong with involving non-British history?

        1. Adys
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          It's taking a piece of important American history and just saying it happened because an alien helped earth. That a British show would do that is, on top of it, pretty colonialist. On its own it'd...

          It's taking a piece of important American history and just saying it happened because an alien helped earth.

          That a British show would do that is, on top of it, pretty colonialist. On its own it'd be fine, but the fact it's in bad taste in the first place makes the mix of both really bad imo.

          And yea, Van Gogh same thing: taking the life of a tortured icon of the arts and pretending the doctor was involved so thanks-doctor-we-wouldnt-have-art-without-you... Bad taste.

          1 vote
      4. SkewedSideburn
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        I quite enjoyed Smith's performance. I was a teen back then, but to be honest: I had goosebumps during some of his speeches like the one at Stonehendge, even though I fully understood how stupidly...

        I quite enjoyed Smith's performance. I was a teen back then, but to be honest: I had goosebumps during some of his speeches like the one at Stonehendge, even though I fully understood how stupidly over the top they are. I enjoyed Eccleston and Tennant too. But Capaldi made me finally drop the show, it was becoming too incoherent for me.

    2. drannex
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      Capaldi (12) is what drew me back into the series, and the new showrunner (Chibnall) finally hit their stride about 3/4ths of the way into Jodie Whittaker's (13) first season incarnation. Smith...

      Capaldi (12) is what drew me back into the series, and the new showrunner (Chibnall) finally hit their stride about 3/4ths of the way into Jodie Whittaker's (13) first season incarnation.

      Smith was a disaster, but Capaldi became tied for my all-time favourite with Tennant quite quickly. He is his own person, but with his native Scottish charm.

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    mrbig
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    I’m probably the only one that like Eccleston. He was grumpy and sincere.

    I’m probably the only one that like Eccleston. He was grumpy and sincere.

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    1. spctrvl
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      Really? I didn't think Eccleston was disliked, most of the people I watched the show with ranked him up there with Tennant. I certainly enjoyed his performance more than Smith's at least, which is...

      Really? I didn't think Eccleston was disliked, most of the people I watched the show with ranked him up there with Tennant. I certainly enjoyed his performance more than Smith's at least, which is when I fell out of the show.

      3 votes
    2. Amarok
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      I thought it was a shame he only got one season.

      I thought it was a shame he only got one season.

      1 vote