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Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino have left the production of Netflix’s live action "Avatar: The Last Airbender" adaptation

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  1. [11]
    Grzmot
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    This doesn't sound good. TLoK had some problems that (I think) mainly stemmed from the fact that Konietzko and DiMartino weren't allowed to fully plan it out, as it was originally just meant to be...

    This doesn't sound good. TLoK had some problems that (I think) mainly stemmed from the fact that Konietzko and DiMartino weren't allowed to fully plan it out, as it was originally just meant to be one season. S2 was messy maybe because they didn't have time to plan everything out, or maybe because they fluked, but S3 and S4 of TLoK, that's when the two were both back in full form and you saw it.

    Avatar is such a great franchise that has been for no good reason treated very badly after the initial show finished airing. I don't know if it has to do with the price of producing animation or because the two were maybe too ambitious and Netflix didn't want to pay up (which I don't understand why, the live remake with both original creators on board would've been a sure hit), I don't know. And it's sad.

    I hope one day we get another fully-fledged series from the two, and my wish would be for two more series, each showing the life of the next avatar in radically different times. Modern day where after long peace war breaks out again maybe because the current avatar was too used to peace and not skilled at maintaining it, and as a last series something after civilizations have destroyed each other, in a way returnig to the simple life that Aang knew. I think it would nicely close the circle, but perhaps that's a bit too pessimistic story to tell, because the ultimate message would be that humans never learn.

    9 votes
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      moocow1452
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      After some noodling, I wonder if the creators put their foot down on the Air Nomads being influenced by Tibetian culture, and that spooked people upstairs with what the genocide and all? Also, I...

      I don't know if it has to do with the price of producing animation or because the two were maybe too ambitious and Netflix didn't want to pay up (which I don't understand why, the live remake with both original creators on board would've been a sure hit), I don't know. And it's sad.

      After some noodling, I wonder if the creators put their foot down on the Air Nomads being influenced by Tibetian culture, and that spooked people upstairs with what the genocide and all?

      Also, I would kill for a Cyberpunk Avatar series after Korra, and got a good season or so outlined already.

      2 votes
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        balooga
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        I didn't know that I needed this, but yes please.

        Cyberpunk Avatar series after Korra

        I didn't know that I needed this, but yes please.

        5 votes
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          Grzmot
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          Only if I get a post-apocalyptic avatar after cyberpunk avatar because the people have rebelled, civilizations have fallen and everything has returned to a primitive state. The avatar wandering...

          Only if I get a post-apocalyptic avatar after cyberpunk avatar because the people have rebelled, civilizations have fallen and everything has returned to a primitive state. The avatar wandering through the huge ruins of once modern cities and wondering how it all came apart would be very interesting I think.

          2 votes
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            moocow1452
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            There could have been an Avatar that was born at the end of civilization, and then civilization happened again because we are dealing with that massive of a timeframe.

            There could have been an Avatar that was born at the end of civilization, and then civilization happened again because we are dealing with that massive of a timeframe.

            1. Grzmot
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              Mhm I think the past avatar spirits would tell the new avatar that. We would've known of some dark age or something.

              Mhm I think the past avatar spirits would tell the new avatar that. We would've known of some dark age or something.

      2. Grzmot
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        I don't know, it depends on what they wanted to show. It being too expensive might also be a factor, I imagine the bending fights being done irl would require some really fancy cgi.

        I don't know, it depends on what they wanted to show. It being too expensive might also be a factor, I imagine the bending fights being done irl would require some really fancy cgi.

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      Akir
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      Viacom's producers are famously dense. I would recommend looking for that video where Butch Hartman talks about the early production on Fairly Odd Parents. Basically, the TV producers were telling...

      Viacom's producers are famously dense. I would recommend looking for that video where Butch Hartman talks about the early production on Fairly Odd Parents. Basically, the TV producers were telling him "You're making us money, but Spongebob is making us slightly more money. Make us Spongebob money or you're canceled". And of course, now that show is one of the channel's longest running programs - running so long that that they ran out of ideas and ended up running the show right into the ground.

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      1. Grzmot
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        Ah, capitalism. Never changes.

        Ah, capitalism. Never changes.

        1 vote
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        moocow1452
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        Which show? They've both been on for for an obnoxiously long time.

        Which show? They've both been on for for an obnoxiously long time.

        1 vote
        1. Akir
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          I was referring to Fairly Odd Parents, but I've been told it also applies to Spongebob as well. Actually it looks like they are still producing Spongebob, so that would more likely be their...

          I was referring to Fairly Odd Parents, but I've been told it also applies to Spongebob as well.

          Actually it looks like they are still producing Spongebob, so that would more likely be their longest running show.

          1 vote
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    wundumguy
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    Uh oh. Wonder if this is the first time I've heard of Netflix not letting creators basically do what they want

    Uh oh. Wonder if this is the first time I've heard of Netflix not letting creators basically do what they want

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    1. moocow1452
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      Yeah, that's the weird bit. I wonder if ViacomCBS is stepping in, but even then, to not have any creative control on a project is a weird state to be in.

      Yeah, that's the weird bit. I wonder if ViacomCBS is stepping in, but even then, to not have any creative control on a project is a weird state to be in.

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  3. moocow1452
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    Bryke are incredible directors and worldbuilders, and while are lacking when they try and do everything themselves, to kick them out of the adaptation completely is foreboding to say the least,...

    Bryke are incredible directors and worldbuilders, and while are lacking when they try and do everything themselves, to kick them out of the adaptation completely is foreboding to say the least, especially since they aren't even bothering with "creative differences." Wonder how this will end up for them and the franchise in the future?

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  4. Nepenthaceae
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    I've never had any hope whatsoever for this adaption. There hasn't been a single movie with anime/cartoon/game origins that worked, the translation to real life just doesn't work. Even with all...

    I've never had any hope whatsoever for this adaption. There hasn't been a single movie with anime/cartoon/game origins that worked, the translation to real life just doesn't work. Even with all the creative freedom they could ever want, I don't think it would have worked.

    I really hope the guys realize their strength lies in story, character and worldbuilding and not in the hassle of live-action production.

    That letter from Michael really makes Netflix sound like a corporate powerhouse just eating IP's and shitting out money. (which of course, it is.)

    2 votes