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  1. Comment on Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of June 8 in ~society

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    From what I've read about the tattoo, I personally don't believe it to be a declaration of Nazi sympathies or alignment of Nazi ideology, but perhaps others have come across more information than...

    From what I've read about the tattoo, I personally don't believe it to be a declaration of Nazi sympathies or alignment of Nazi ideology, but perhaps others have come across more information than I have. I believe the truth lies somewhere between what Platner says, and what some others are insinuating it means that leads me to believe what I do about it.

    From what I gather, he got the tattoo while being part of a Marine unit, and the group of marines seemed to have all gotten that tattoo or something similar. I assume he probably killed people in combat, and likely other marines he was around did as well, and the level of familiarity I have with that specifically is none, but the level of familiarity I have with people who have dirty jobs or 'dark' jobs that the average person doesn't see or have experience with tells me that it's fairly common people in those jobs often have extreme desensitization on some level and have coping mechanisms and humor that the average person would find incredibly distasteful and disrespectful out of context.

    Hell I worked in a role that was really none of those things, it was essentially customer service, which I'm sure many more people have much more direct experience with, and I can relate on the level that I would mute the phone while on the phone with customers and such, and just shit talk them and bitch about them to a coworker (likely because the person I was talking to was an asshole). Incredibly unprofessional, incredibly rude, if I said some of those things to their face I'd likely have gotten fired. Of course, none of the customers ever knew, instead I was the most friendly and helpful person as far as they knew. Literally the difference between whether I was an exceptional employee that went above and beyond or the worst employee is a matter of whether the phone was muted or not, at least as far as the customer was concerned. And I can extrapolate from that experience to an extent and I know it works to an extent because I have a friend that is a nurse and I've seen relatively realistically portrayed media and I've heard from my friend and others first hand how people in the medical field act regarding situations that occur in the hospital and people that go in the hospital. I'm sure it's not the same for every person that works in a hospital, but from what I gather, to a lot of people that work there, the patients are just a pile of meat at some point. Not to say they don't care or they don't want to help people, but there's a point of dissociation where there can be quite crass remarks made about people or almost disrespectful but the reality is that is the life they have to live, people who work in that field have to live that life and see those things on a daily basis for years, if I overheard one of them saying it while I was in the hospital getting treatment it would certainly shake my belief that they're actually helping me, that they're competent and caring, I might actually think they're the worst employee instead of the best, but it may not accurately reflect who they are or what they are thinking in the context that I perceive it as a patient.

    In this way, that's how I perceive that tattoo from the available information given. I think it's possible he knew it was somehow in some way associated with Nazis, but I don't think the intention behind it was his declaration of white skin, blue eyes and blonde haired supremacy or anything like that. From what I gather, the intention was that they're a death squad, they kill people, and whether that's a coping mechanism to try to wear it proudly or they're really twisted and they love the idea of killing people and they were in the best situation possible where they are hailed as heroes for killing people, who knows. But the reality is that we pay those people to kill other people, some people anyhow, do regard them as heroes, and on that level I don't know that I can really condemn someone for taking a twisted approach to camaraderie or coping or whatever it was, it is rooted in the idea that millions of people in their home country paid and support them in the action of being exceptional at killing the enemy. Now is it incredibly disrespectful to use that symbol knowing what it represents and the people who suffered from that regime? Absolutely. I wouldn't necessarily support it in the sense that somehow he has the right to use it or embrace it regardless of his intentions, but my main thing is that I think people are trying to imply that he is secretly a Nazi-sympathizer, and that seems to be an incorrect implication to me.

    Do I think he's really a great person or political candidate? Nope. Do I think that people must support him if they're 'leftist'? Nope. I think it's also worth noting, Susan Collins isn't a great person or political candidate either. Trump isn't a good person nor was he ever a good political candidate either. The vast majority of them are horrible people and horrible politicians from the perspective of what is best for the country and the people in this country. I think there's potentially a case where horrible people can be decent politicians, but almost all horrible politicians are horrible people aside from just ones that are purely inept.

    This is why I will just repeatedly harp on improving the voting system and trying to implement STAR or some kind of scoring system and proportional representation. I will not fall for the "Hold your nose and vote" or "vote for the lesser evil" as being the solution. I will vote for the lesser evil if the lesser evil is the one that pushes for reform to end the false choices, the last ever lesser evil (not really, but at least within reasonable bounds of where we can achieve from here).

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  2. Comment on Not alive, but not dead: disembodied human brains used for drug testing in ~science

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    This is also an exceptional case where as you mentioned about donor parts, it should require extreme care. Literally just the idea that this can happen instantly turns me off to the idea of...

    This is also an exceptional case where as you mentioned about donor parts, it should require extreme care. Literally just the idea that this can happen instantly turns me off to the idea of donating my body to science or potentially any organs at all. This is such extreme levels of fucked up that I honestly think every regulatory agency should be scrambling to clarify the rules and circumstances, and any company or organization should be scrambling to make sure that any public press releases or media disseminated about their work includes that critical piece of information that it is an explicit permission of the donor for that specific purpose.

    I don't believe my organs will end up being useful to anyone barring an unexpected early death (I guess that's where perhaps most organ transplants come from however), but this type of thing instantly will make me question organ donation.

    Normally I wouldn't even care about what happens to my body after I'm dead, but the key thing is there, I need to be dead. As dead as we're certain any person can ever be. And dead is complete death of consciousness to whatever degree happens naturally, not just death of the body. I do not care that they think it can't possibly be conscious, given all that we don't know about consciousness, I seriously doubt they can prove it without a shadow of a doubt and that's enough for me to not entertain it.

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  3. Comment on "The therapeutic industry is platonic prostitution" in ~health.mental

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    One medicine? No. But there is a point somewhere beyond that where I kind of do, and did. I had a psychologist and then a psychiatrist when I was about 17-21, and had various medications...

    Would you call a doctor a quack because one medicine didn't work?

    One medicine? No. But there is a point somewhere beyond that where I kind of do, and did. I had a psychologist and then a psychiatrist when I was about 17-21, and had various medications prescribed to me for social anxiety, depression and panic disorder. Psychiatry at that time especially, looking back on it, I consider it to be have been quack science. It was literally just a rotating platter of medications, some of which at least they were paid by pharmaceutical companies to shovel at people, and they never did anything except have side effects, in some cases significant ones.

    Nowadays I'm told they have genetic tests and such so that they can tell what you're supposedly more likely to have success with, too fucking late for me at this point but I guess if it's true then it may not be quack science anymore.

    And I say this as someone who had a deep interest in the study of psychology and sociology at some points in my life in my younger years, but I didn't and don't find the study of psychology to be the problem, only the practice of it. Practicing psychotherapy or psychiatry at that point, and maybe still today for all I know, is like reading a children's book about dogs and then going into practice as a veterinarian. Guess if you're one of the few who has read that children's book up to that point, you're the leading dog expert so that means you're qualified to take people's money and operate on their dogs.

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  4. Comment on Bricks & Minifigs corporate stole a man's $200,000 Lego collection and told him to get bent in ~hobbies

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    I don't think LegalEagle covered it in his video, but wouldn't the insurance company prefer some finding by the police/district attorney that theft had actually occurred? Absent that, does...

    I don't think LegalEagle covered it in his video, but wouldn't the insurance company prefer some finding by the police/district attorney that theft had actually occurred? Absent that, does insurance really have any obligation to investigate whether a theft occurred?

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  5. Comment on Bricks & Minifigs corporate stole a man's $200,000 Lego collection and told him to get bent in ~hobbies

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    I don't even know how you just typed all that out without seeing how ridiculous the foundation of your argument is. Because really the foundation of it is that the thief doesn't claim it's their...

    I don't even know how you just typed all that out without seeing how ridiculous the foundation of your argument is. Because really the foundation of it is that the thief doesn't claim it's their stuff. You want to know why? Because they don't get to stay out of jail while the police and prosecutors claim "It's a civil matter". So lying thieving sleazebags with their corporate veil of legitimacy where in America that's what all of the systems are actually designed to protect is the almighty dollar, the wheels have to keep turning after all, are incentivized to lie because the system protects them. Literally the President of the United States is in the position he is in for the same reason, and you have the GALL to say it has nothing to do with the laws nor it being a systemic issue.

    Don't you think perhaps, these thieving fuckers would have also "voluntarily" given up the stolen property if they got hauled off to jail like the petty thief?

    The fact that you even act like justice was served is truly mind boggling. The petty thief goes to jail, and the corporate thief just has to follow the court order to pay back what they stole, justice is served, all is well that ends well.

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  6. Comment on Bricks & Minifigs corporate stole a man's $200,000 Lego collection and told him to get bent in ~hobbies

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    That's not always how it works though. If someone burglarizes another's house, do people always have to wait for the courts to say they can have their stuff back? Perhaps there are some scenarios,...

    That's not always how it works though. If someone burglarizes another's house, do people always have to wait for the courts to say they can have their stuff back? Perhaps there are some scenarios, but that's not always the case. I think the thing here is that in America, commercial operations and commercial activity often are given more leeway to commit crimes, and their crimes are almost always a "civil" matter. There's an unwarranted veil of protection, and before you come at it by saying that's how the law is written and if you don't like it then change the laws, that doesn't negate the feeling that this is a completely unjust situation. Laws can be followed and produce unjust outcomes and it's well recognized that the law isn't always right or just.

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  7. Comment on Bricks & Minifigs corporate stole a man's $200,000 Lego collection and told him to get bent in ~hobbies

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    What seems to be likely based on the reporting in this linked post is that a couple individuals within the company saw an opportunity to steal one specific elderly person's collection, and it is...

    "this company went out of their way to rob one specific elderly person, be extremely belligerent about it and weaponize law enforcement against the people helping him even when it became dubious whether it was in their best interest to do so."

    What seems to be likely based on the reporting in this linked post is that a couple individuals within the company saw an opportunity to steal one specific elderly person's collection, and it is possible they had done it before for all any of us know at this point, but if we assume this was the first time they did it, it's far more believable to me that a few individuals saw an opportunity to enrich themselves. Everything else that follows is just people protecting 'their own', going by the reporting in the linked post, they're all part of the same religion/cult and I'm not saying cult as an alternative word for religion but because LDS in particular does do some things differently than the standard Christian religion that dominates the US. I don't think they are quite as strict about interactions between members and non-members and ex-members as some more well known cults like Scientology, but they do have some influences there that go beyond typical religion activity.

    I worked for a company who was founded/owned by LDS members and many of the people that worked there were LDS members at some point, but this is much further outside Utah so I'm sure the power/influence they have doesn't carry the same weight but even then, little by little, it started coming out that the owner and his immediate family had started becoming more disillusioned with the organized religion component of it but was keeping it quiet and it was sort of a big deal to them the fallout of it being public when they stopped trying to hide they weren't part of the church anymore. Again, nothing as serious as being found out for leaving Scientology, but I do believe it did create some distance between them and some family members they had back in Utah and even what remained of the LDS members in the region they reside in now.

    So this to me comes across more like people in their 'club' protecting each other, these guys made a move to enrich themselves and the leadership probably doesn't have very great morals to begin with, so they don't likely care about the theft more than they do about protecting people who already dug themselves into a position that could get ugly to get out of. They also can likely tell themselves lies, they didn't steal it, they didn't sign the contract, they didn't outright refuse the court's order to pay the lawsuit but instead filed bankruptcy which is a potential legal protection but of course they're simply just abusing the system to draw it out and possibly find other ways to weasel out of it, but all still within some potential framing that they didn't literally go to the guy's house at gunpoint and rob the set from them. People are funny like that, it's why white collar crime in the US often gets a slap on the wrist because too many people can justify these indirect crimes done through the veil of a corporation as being a "civil" matter. If the people involved had directly used violence themselves, then they would lose that public benefit of the doubt, so instead they leverage connections they have to people who have legal authority to use violence (the police) to do that work for them.

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  8. Comment on Lifetime Plex Pass will cost $750 USD after July 1st in ~tv

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    The user thing I guess I wouldn't anticipate being a big issue for me because I've already made Plex accounts for my Plex users. I don't do it for everyone but in some cases it makes sense for me....

    The user thing I guess I wouldn't anticipate being a big issue for me because I've already made Plex accounts for my Plex users. I don't do it for everyone but in some cases it makes sense for me. My parents I made an account for them using a plus address for my own email and set it up on their living room TV which is the only place they'd interact with it anyhow. They can't keep track of their own logins half the time and they have extremely bad password hygiene/management. Then my sister I invited her using her own account, and then she kept bothering me because she forgot her Apple login so she couldn't set up Plex on other devices. Then she said her son wanted access and because she didn't know her own Apple login she couldn't even sign into her account on another device for him, so then I just made a plex account for him with my email using a plus address. Then I just messaged him the email and password for that account I set up. Have had no issues with that or my parents account.

    I use a password manager and I store all my passwords and accounts in there as a matter of habit, so it's trivial for me to make new accounts, new secure passwords, and store them in there. It's also easy for me because if someone can't log into their account, I can just send them the credentials again as that's literally the only reason they wouldn't be able to log in is they don't have the credentials. There will never be an issue with the accuracy of the credentials themselves because I made them. Now if Plex apps were bad at storing the credentials and people had to enter them constantly, that could be a problem, or if I transitioned to Jellyfin and had that issue, that could be a problem, but generally it seems to be that on Plex at least, they enter the credentials once and never have to enter them again.

    As for network issues, yeah there can be a bit more work involved on that too, but not $70/yr worth of work as far as I'm concerned. I'm already probably more overextended than I would like when it comes to network security and Plex, because Plex is the only thing I port forward as it's the only service I share with anyone else and the relay service is too limited to use. I don't want my server transcoding stuff so it can be streamed at 2mbps. Everything else I self-host I access via Tailscale. Mostly I continue with this because as far as I know Plex has had no remote vulnerabilities abused that I'm aware of that I've been willing to continue with that setup, otherwise I'd prefer to have more control over the network side of it anyhow if I was actually doing it right in my book. I'm just doing it the lazy way as far as I consider it. I could perhaps see an issue for some users if I made a more complex setup, but I think most people I would have little to no issue with.

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  9. Comment on Donald Trump’s deal to drop suit against US Internal Revenue Service creates $1.8b ‘anti-weaponization fund’ in ~society

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    I think there are probably more people than we know that do believe other types of protests have their places (likely still a small portion of overall populace), but you can't outright support...

    I think there are probably more people than we know that do believe other types of protests have their places (likely still a small portion of overall populace), but you can't outright support them in many cases. Sometimes it's a liability for the platform in which you voice support for them on (which of course I wouldn't want Tildes or similar platforms to suffer or become non-existent because of that liability), other times its because you can't control who receives that message or how they will choose to take it and run with it, and other times its personal liability and other consequences for saying such things.

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  10. Comment on Lifetime Plex Pass will cost $750 USD after July 1st in ~tv

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    I'd say that's a bit of an extreme. If you start from nothing meaning you don't have Plex Pass, is it reasonable? So then if you have to pay, is the monthly/annual price that will likely go up at...

    I'd say that's a bit of an extreme. If you start from nothing meaning you don't have Plex Pass, is it reasonable? So then if you have to pay, is the monthly/annual price that will likely go up at some point in the future reasonable? I wouldn't call paying $70/year or more reasonable just to share media with friends and family.

    At that point, I'm weighing the reasonableness of the cost versus the reasonableness of the technical hoops to jump through to get friends and family set up. To some those hoops are greater than to others. Arguably the price point is similarly a greater hoop to some than to others. Though I suspect if money is no concern then one would probably be less inclined to use Plex to begin with and they'd still be using paid streaming services.

    You see, for me what makes the money a problem is that I can't charge people for access to my Plex server. I mean, I could, but I don't want the headache of that, because when people pay for it, then they expect professional service. If their shit doesn't work, I'm not going to drop what I'm doing to help them troubleshoot it. I'm not going to issue them a refund because it wasn't working for a few days. I could take it seriously, make it my mission to have 100% uptime or close to that, but I don't care that much and I don't want to care that much. Of course I can just cut them off whenever they act like a jerk and be done with them going forward, but again, that's just hassle I wouldn't want to deal with.

    Anyone who has ever had access to my server has no expectations and I like it that way. Some stuff I have in shitty 480p quality because I don't watch it so I don't care. They can watch it if they want, or they can not watch it, or if they ask and I do it when I feel like I can change the quality if it matters that much to them. I could set it up so that they could do it themselves and with limitations to prevent them from using up all my storage but again, that's more work.

    I can walk through some of the most incompetent tech people through many things. I did it for a living. Not saying I enjoy it, or that I'd want to do it, but then we're weighing what I think the work of doing that is, versus the work of trying to run some quasi-professional Plex setup and charge for it to recoup my costs or pay $70+ per year for it. The initial option starts to seem like the easier/more reasonable one to me. It would likely end up balancing out that the people I am willing to help set up are going to be the least trouble, and people who would be the most trouble I'd end up not bothering with.

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  11. Comment on Lifetime Plex Pass will cost $750 USD after July 1st in ~tv

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    I think this is still less negative press than "Plex axes Lifetime Pass" or something like that. To people who already own the Lifetime pass, this headline is mostly a nothing. It doesn't really...

    I think this is still less negative press than "Plex axes Lifetime Pass" or something like that. To people who already own the Lifetime pass, this headline is mostly a nothing. It doesn't really impact them. If I saw a headline saying they got rid of lifetime pass entirely, with a lot of the vague headlines that come out these days, I'd definitely click just to see if it's going to affect me or not. Now more so I'm equating that to what I would expect to be a general audience reaction, not necessarily about me specifically.

    I'm not saying they get no bad press from doing this, I just think it's less than if they got rid of the lifetime pass completely.

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  12. Comment on Lifetime Plex Pass will cost $750 USD after July 1st in ~tv

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    I suspect they know people wouldn't value their software at $750 and this is just a way to pretend to still offer lifetime passes while actually trying to push people onto the monthly/annual...

    I suspect they know people wouldn't value their software at $750 and this is just a way to pretend to still offer lifetime passes while actually trying to push people onto the monthly/annual plans. If they just cut the lifetime offering altogether, I think they'd probably generate more negative headlines than even this will generate. It also makes it something people would likely only consider buying on sale and that's it. This also avoids any media from clickbaiting people into thinking they will lose their already purchased lifetime plans, like if they remove the lifetime offering that doesn't mean they are kicking people off the lifetime plex pass but it would be easy to generate clicks making an ambiguous headline that makes people wonder.

    I don't think they're trying to compete with Netflix, they have just been using Plex server owners as bootstrappers to their FAST service, which is really more so where they're attempting to compete, not with subscription services. Plex server owners invite their friends and family in, and Plex was happy to adjust the interface of the software to make it harder for the friend/family member to find the family/friend's server content and easier to land on Plex's ad supported content. Suddenly, more revenue coming in from people that never would have known about Plex before, and cost them $0 in marketing.

    Coupled with more people probably dipping their toes into piracy due to all the streaming services cracking down on password sharing, prices going up etc., it makes the timing of now more important to them to keep people off these lifetime passes and onto recurring revenue plans.

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  13. Comment on Utah's shrinking lake: a scientific asset and a crisis in ~enviro

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    It says God gave you failure that he knew you could handle. I don't believe that myself, and am not religious and god is nothing but a 3 letter word to me, but I could easily see someone taking it...

    It says God gave you failure that he knew you could handle.

    I don't believe that myself, and am not religious and god is nothing but a 3 letter word to me, but I could easily see someone taking it that route.

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  14. Comment on Smartphone recommendations? in ~tech

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    I just want to concur strongly with this, this has been my experience as well. I bought a Moto X 2013 version and used that for 4ish years, and then I bought a Moto G5 around 2017 but it was a...

    I just want to concur strongly with this, this has been my experience as well. I bought a Moto X 2013 version and used that for 4ish years, and then I bought a Moto G5 around 2017 but it was a more budget SOC and that thing within 2-3 years was already feeling a bit slow occasionally, doing not intensive things on the phone. The Moto X on the other hand, I don't even think I switched because it was slow, I think I switched because of wireless carrier compatibility issues. I very much preferred my Moto X for form factor alone. I ended up buying a Galaxy S10e when that first came out in 2019 and I'm still using it now, though it's definitely showing its age in processing power at this point.

    From what I see at a glance, it appears the performance of the Snapdragon 430 in the Moto G5 in 2017 was not much better than the Snapdragon S4 Pro in the Moto X released in 2013. So to me that tracks, hardware released in 2017 that offers similar or slightly better performance than the flagship line in 2013 isn't going to last that long, because you would expect to see some performance drop by that point even from the 2013 flagship line by 2019-2020 or so, just like I'm seeing now from my 2019 Galaxy S10e.

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  15. Comment on ‘It’s shameful’: New York’s elite lash out at Zohran Mamdani’s second-home tax in ~finance

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    Just purely my assumptions here, for some of them I assume the behavior is inherited and much like other things people inherit, there are elements to what their parents understood that get lost as...

    What I can’t stand is the people who’ve somehow managed to convince themselves that they actually and uniquely deserve special treatment to an extent that they deny it’s special treatment at all. Those are the fuckers who are genuinely pissed off about this but are still willing to axe 1,000 jobs without feeling bad about it, and those are the ones whose mindset I’ve never been able to really get.

    Just purely my assumptions here, for some of them I assume the behavior is inherited and much like other things people inherit, there are elements to what their parents understood that get lost as those things get passed down to the children. In that behavior in particular the lost element is the awareness of what the mentality is behind that behavior and what is meant to be achieved with it.

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  16. Comment on What I learned about billionaires at Jeff Bezos’s private retreat in ~society

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    To me, I think stereotypical philanthropy from a billionaire is not really even desirable. All existing billionaires should spend all their resources ending the one thing that they shouldn't have...

    Why don’t they choose differently? Why isn’t there a single billionaire in the world leveraging the same degree of wealth and influence to actually end world poverty? I’m talking about earnest, big project energy, not PR philanthropy or shady self-enrichment schemes disguised as altruism. They could choose good… they just don’t.

    To me, I think stereotypical philanthropy from a billionaire is not really even desirable. All existing billionaires should spend all their resources ending the one thing that they shouldn't have to begin with, which is immense amount of resources that give them immense amounts of power.

    I disagree with the base foundation that there should be people who have as much influence as the extremely wealthy have, and the only way I could support any of them leveraging any of that influence for anything is for the goal of ending that influence. Otherwise I can't support other actions because they're stealing from society as a whole. They're literally the biggest thieves in history, and the typical philanthropy they engage in is a bit of a reverse Robin Hood scenario so they can stroke their own ego and create a legacy for themselves.

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  17. Comment on An insight into looksmaxxxing/blackpill "ideology" in ~life

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    I'm not really defending the idea that his life is better or worse, I'm not familiar with nor altogether too concerned with the influencer person himself, I just was correcting the record where...

    I'm not really defending the idea that his life is better or worse, I'm not familiar with nor altogether too concerned with the influencer person himself, I just was correcting the record where the prior comment was misquoting/mischaracterizing the statement.

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  18. Comment on An insight into looksmaxxxing/blackpill "ideology" in ~life

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    You conveniently cut off the last part of the quote and then responded to it as though it was saying his life is undeniably better than yours, even though it stated his life is undeniably better...

    You conveniently cut off the last part of the quote and then responded to it as though it was saying his life is undeniably better than yours, even though it stated his life is undeniably better than an alternative theoretical version of his own life. Sure the argument could still be made that it's not undeniably better than being homeless or whatever else that guy could have ended up being, but that doesn't appear to be the case you were making.

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  19. Comment on Ilhan Omar says she isn’t a multimillionaire, blames accounting error in ~society

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    So in effect one probably just needs to post the text to a pastebin style site and link that instead?

    So in effect one probably just needs to post the text to a pastebin style site and link that instead?

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  20. Comment on Ring camera is getting more and more annoying in ~tech

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    The way I related/look at it is through the Alexa Echo Dot speakers I bought years back. They were basically the cheapest game in town, and I was using them for voice controls of other smart...

    The way I related/look at it is through the Alexa Echo Dot speakers I bought years back. They were basically the cheapest game in town, and I was using them for voice controls of other smart devices I had, even once I set up HomeAssistant I was still using Alexa for voice controls. In that specific case I had turned on/off all security and privacy settings I could find as I would go through every nook and cranny of the settings I could find, minimized as much of the advertising or nuisance elements of it as I could, and then just tried to get as much value out of what I paid for it. Pretty sure they do similar things with those speakers as you mentioned with the Ring camera where they add new stuff you have to turn off.

    I haven't taken my speakers out of storage for awhile to know what they are like nowadays but I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to using them again depending on how much shittier they may be now. The interesting thing about them before is they didn't have a good way to advertise, but now that they've baked in LLMs to Alexa I'm not sure if that's still the case anymore. I was just using it to turn off lights or turn on a TV or something so I really never needed it to tell me anything, I just wanted it to execute a command, so other than Amazon was able to collect my speech data or something like that I felt like I got decent value from it because they didn't have a good way to monetize it against me at the time.

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