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Robert Fico: Slovakia’s prime minister in life-threatening condition after being shot multiple times

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  1. [3]
    mordae
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    Hmm... So thousands of dead Ukrainians and continued Russian aggression that threatens EU is mostly unfortunate and delicate political situation while an attempt to assassinate a Putin...

    Hmm...

    So thousands of dead Ukrainians and continued Russian aggression that threatens EU is mostly unfortunate and delicate political situation while an attempt to assassinate a Putin collaborator who already caused Slovakia being cut off from western intelligence in fear of leaks is a heinous crime.

    Reminds me of the fun moment Pope forbade crossbows because they could be used to cheaply assassinate nobles.

    Well in the meantime, Fico's friends already talk about banning "liberal media", especially the national TV station and send messages to the liberal opposition that this will be a start of a war. As if they were not enganing in one already.

    10 votes
    1. [2]
      llehsadam
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      The assassination of a democratically elected leader you disagree with will result in martyrdom. He can’t make any more mistakes if he’s dead you know, he becomes untouchable. It’s best for Europe...

      The assassination of a democratically elected leader you disagree with will result in martyrdom. He can’t make any more mistakes if he’s dead you know, he becomes untouchable.

      It’s best for Europe if he makes a speedy recovery. Which by the way is the right thing to wish him as a decent human being.

      18 votes
      1. mordae
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        The problem is that there is no longer any debate. In case you haven't noticed, whole western political discourse went out the drain couple years back. Now it's just mass advertisement and...

        The problem is that there is no longer any debate. In case you haven't noticed, whole western political discourse went out the drain couple years back. Now it's just mass advertisement and identity politics. Even reputable outlets now talk about it as if they were commenting on a sports match. Virtually nobody discusses merits and issues with policy publicly, they just try to paint others as bad beings.

        You are reading in my words something I did not write. What I absolutely hate about the situation is that everybody right and left says "oh, poor boy, shame on the attacker". Same with Shinzo Abe. Shinzo Abe was a shitty person who hurt many and helped a bunch of predators to feed upon weak minded people who wanted to believe in something. It's not unexpected he got some of it back.

        And Fico is a powerful person -- who many people may well feel is -- inviting back Russians. To those people, maybe due to some historical experience with being Russian satellite state, that equals secret police, sham trials, political murders, politically active family members ending up mining uranium without proper safety protective equipment and so on. He also partakes in weakening courts, publicly funded independent media and other attacks on the very democratic system you so readily reference.

        I don't think it would be surprising to see an increasing number of people using illegal means to defend themselves from a perceived threat, especially when they no longer believe in the political system around them (as it is being -- objectively -- dismantled).

        While murders being the least ideal outcome of our societal arrangement, I always want to know what lead to them. Because when a young boy takes a hatchet to his father's head in their sleep, maybe the mother is crying in the kitchen, all bruised up. And my concern usually end up being, "how come neighbors did not notice sooner?". Because maybe if they did, they might have collectively decided that the situation is risky and intervened.

        But I don't really keep my fingers crossed, because that would mean that people actually talked policy instead of just "wishing the victims a speedy recovery".


        Oh and one last thing. If your democratically elected supreme leader decides to wage a war against my country, I expect you to personally go and assassinate him, democracy or not. I will hate and condemn you if you don't. Maybe work on your democracy so that you have some peaceful options. Probably want to start with having a reliable policy discussion media.

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    llehsadam
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    There's not much information about the shooter, but it seems like the police pinned someone down to the ground here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-69017009 Motives are important. If this was a...

    There's not much information about the shooter, but it seems like the police pinned someone down to the ground here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-69017009

    Motives are important. If this was a pro-Ukraine assassination attempt, that could change public perception to be more pro-Russia in Slovakia.

    I hope the prime minister recovers and the shooter wasn't politically motivated.

    7 votes
    1. [5]
      timo
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      Are there even cases where shooting a (high profile) politician isn’t political?

      Are there even cases where shooting a (high profile) politician isn’t political?

      6 votes
      1. [2]
        stu2b50
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        Depends on your definition of political. All things are politics, as the refrain goes. But for example, Shinzo Abe’s shooting was a comparatively individualistic revenge story.

        Depends on your definition of political. All things are politics, as the refrain goes.

        But for example, Shinzo Abe’s shooting was a comparatively individualistic revenge story.

        15 votes
        1. Fiachra
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          The shooter's grudge wasn't with Abe personally, but a cult group Abe happened to have ties with. Still not sure that counts as politically motivated though, like if something similar happened...

          The shooter's grudge wasn't with Abe personally, but a cult group Abe happened to have ties with. Still not sure that counts as politically motivated though, like if something similar happened because Trump University had financially ruined someone, I don't think that would be seen as politically motivated.

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      2. skybrian
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        This was quite long ago, but a famous example was when Reagan got shot by a mentally disturbed man who wanted impress an actress.

        This was quite long ago, but a famous example was when Reagan got shot by a mentally disturbed man who wanted impress an actress.

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      3. MimicSquid
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        Some people want to be remembered, or are paranoid and think that their target is at the root of their problems. In those cases it's more about politicians as public figures rather than trying to...

        Some people want to be remembered, or are paranoid and think that their target is at the root of their problems. In those cases it's more about politicians as public figures rather than trying to accomplish a political goal.

        4 votes
    2. palimpsest
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      Our local media is reporting that the shooter is a 71 year old man. One source says he was a writer, the other reports that he worked in security. Pretty wild stuff.

      Our local media is reporting that the shooter is a 71 year old man. One source says he was a writer, the other reports that he worked in security. Pretty wild stuff.

      5 votes
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    MimicSquid
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    Looks like there's a tentative identification of the shooter as someone previously associated with Slovenskí Branci, a pro-Russian militarised group that disbanded for no stated reason in October...

    Looks like there's a tentative identification of the shooter as someone previously associated with Slovenskí Branci, a pro-Russian militarised group that disbanded for no stated reason in October of 2022.

    4 votes
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      mordae
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      What's up with 71yo Central European men?

      What's up with 71yo Central European men?

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      1. MimicSquid
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        By the time you're in your 70's your questions about what you're going to do with your remaining lifespan are becoming much more pointed. If you could make some grand gesture that would move the...

        By the time you're in your 70's your questions about what you're going to do with your remaining lifespan are becoming much more pointed. If you could make some grand gesture that would move the world and advance your goals, it's a lot easier to think about putting your life on the line when you know you don't have many good years remaining. Especially (and to be clear there's no indication that this is the case) if someone with large piles of cash promised that your loved ones would be taken care of in exchange for your grand gesture.

        4 votes