That's what I was thinking. It's also odd to me that people who worked with him say one thing - but the companies who he worked for are saying something else. Like, I'm not necessarily inclined to...
That's what I was thinking.
It's also odd to me that people who worked with him say one thing - but the companies who he worked for are saying something else. Like, I'm not necessarily inclined to believe the companies, but at the same time it's hard to say that isn't just some folks with a vendetta.
But also... there's enough of a pattern that there likely is some truth behind it.
The companies are putting their name with their statements generally, the other people mostly seem to be anonymous sources. In that context, it makes sense why there would be that separation of...
It's also odd to me that people who worked with him say one thing - but the companies who he worked for are saying something else.
The companies are putting their name with their statements generally, the other people mostly seem to be anonymous sources. In that context, it makes sense why there would be that separation of statements, because no one wants their dirty laundry aired in public even if they don't intend to be late to set 8 hours a day every day, they still might be inclined to avoid working with companies that might publicly tarnish someone's image even if justified. So the companies are incentivized to only say good things publicly. Furthermore, a lot of the companies being discussed here are also being reported in a negative light, so confirming that Dwayne is as bad as the sources say is also in a way confirming the negative things about those companies to also be true. Like Amazon comes out looking like shit in this reporting, to admit that Dwayne is causing problems is to also admit that Amazon is incompetent.
Yes to all of the above. The best defense they could come up with is that "actually he is only late about 1 hour per day" which is already ridiculous behavior
Yes to all of the above. The best defense they could come up with is that "actually he is only late about 1 hour per day" which is already ridiculous behavior
Well, check your own shoe and all that. The article says that over a dozen insiders said these things. That many people aren't gonna speak up unless you really are absurdly insufferable - this is...
but at the same time it's hard to say that isn't just some folks with a vendetta.
Well, check your own shoe and all that.
The article says that over a dozen insiders said these things. That many people aren't gonna speak up unless you really are absurdly insufferable - this is an industry titan we're talking about here. Some of them could be risking their whole careers to speak out against him. So yeah I think it's unlikely that there isn't truth to this
Small nitpick: 'Dozens insiders' speaks not about The Rock behavior, they speaks about:
Small nitpick:
'Dozens insiders' speaks not about The Rock behavior, they speaks about:
...more than a dozen insiders directly involved in the project, the “Red One” production was a perfect storm of problems compounded by the inexperience of the film’s lead producer Hiram Garcia of Seven Bucks Productions and Amazon MGM feature and production executives Julie Rapaport and Glenn Gainor, who are overseeing the project.
But is the next paragraph not also referring to those same insiders? The piss bottle thing says it's just "one insider" but the rest seems like it's still a dozen? I'm confused
But is the next paragraph not also referring to those same insiders? The piss bottle thing says it's just "one insider" but the rest seems like it's still a dozen? I'm confused
I have read on a couple of social media discussions about The Rock lately that he is getting heat for the first time in his career at the same time that he is for the first time ever playing a...
I have read on a couple of social media discussions about The Rock lately that he is getting heat for the first time in his career at the same time that he is for the first time ever playing a villain (the heel) on WWE. It seems at least plausible that the two are somewhat related. I think he is taking the role in light of the justified criticism he received for refusing to play a villain in Black Adam/Shazam! which some would say has effectively killed both franchises. It's nice to see him finally willing to play a different sort of character, and it would be a bit of a shame if he was proven right in the end with playing a villain tanking his career. It would probably have made a bit more sense to do it in film instead of wrestling where he is basically playing himself in the ring.
Or maybe something else is going on and he's suddenly slipping like T.J. Miller did after his brain bleed.
This is interesting especially in the context of his beef with Vin Diesel over the Fast and Furious series. I feel like he came out of that pretty clean and Vin came out looking like he was too...
This is interesting especially in the context of his beef with Vin Diesel over the Fast and Furious series. I feel like he came out of that pretty clean and Vin came out looking like he was too demanding. IN light of this one might wonder if maybe Vin was just expecting a certain level of professionalism and commitment to a big money making project.
But damn if Johnson isn't doing so much all the time. We see a lot of celebs taking on a lot of side projects. I don't follow many, but the amount of stuff Johnson is doing... seems like cracks are starting to show?
"The 8 hours late" sounds to me like a hit piece. He might've actually been 8 hours late but maybe he had a good reason and wasn't just acting primadonna? Sounds like people are pointing fingers...
"The 8 hours late" sounds to me like a hit piece. He might've actually been 8 hours late but maybe he had a good reason and wasn't just acting primadonna? Sounds like people are pointing fingers in a production that was really tough in more ways than one.
Not that I really care about protecting The Rock's good name, he has enough money that he'd be fine if he didn't work a day in his life again -- and it's not like I'm going to miss his formulaic movies or public persona which I haven't cared for ever. With these kicks in the gut I do hope he starts acting again and does something cool, though I don't have high hopes for his A24 movie.
8 hours late and most likely without any notice. If he was doing one of his 42 side hustles, he might've called or have one of his henchmen call the production and say "Dwayne is promoting his...
8 hours late and most likely without any notice.
If he was doing one of his 42 side hustles, he might've called or have one of his henchmen call the production and say "Dwayne is promoting his tequila/sunscreen/protein drink and will be late for about 8 hours". Done. Drama averted.
That way the 100 people waiting for him can adjust and prepare accordingly instead of just wondering where the F the star is so they can start doing their jobs.
It feels like if celebrities don't cycle out of the spotlight and then diversify their brand, the general public eventually hits a point of apathy. Dwayne Johnson has been in everyone's faces for...
It feels like if celebrities don't cycle out of the spotlight and then diversify their brand, the general public eventually hits a point of apathy. Dwayne Johnson has been in everyone's faces for over a decade and the cracks started to show with the whole Vin Diesel beef. The stories like this have been around for a while but his movies were making enough money that the PR spin was worth it. But he just kept going all in on his Disney-safe persona and every one of his roles became the exact same character. Black Adam was that critical point where everyone sort of agreed that we don't want to deal with The Rock for a bit.
I've noticed it happen with the Kardashians craze tanking after the Kanye/Pete Davidson drama and even the Taylor Swift hype seems to have soured after the Grammys and Superbowl were hijacked by the artist. Now there's some weird diss track thing going on and a few of the casual fans I know seem completely uninterested.
Feels like Mr Beast and Ryan Reynolds are creeping on that limit as well and I'm curious what the tipping point could be.
Just a detail, it hasn't been a decade of the rock as a Hollywood star, it has been more than 20! The other day I was watching the first season of scrubs, which is from 2001, and they mentioned...
Just a detail, it hasn't been a decade of the rock as a Hollywood star, it has been more than 20! The other day I was watching the first season of scrubs, which is from 2001, and they mentioned him as a movie star already.
It’s crazy to me how everyone seems to put up with this behavior. Producers, directors, other actors. Or maybe some do refuse to work with him? He would be fired in any other job!
It’s crazy to me how everyone seems to put up with this behavior. Producers, directors, other actors. Or maybe some do refuse to work with him?
When you make studios billions of dollars, they’re willing to put up with quite a lot. And people working on the movies know that if it comes down to them or Johnson, the studio will pick Johnson...
When you make studios billions of dollars, they’re willing to put up with quite a lot. And people working on the movies know that if it comes down to them or Johnson, the studio will pick Johnson every single time. So they’d rather not be a squeaky wheel and get a major credit under their belt.
I find the headline misleading, because it sounded to me like him being late cost an additional $250M, when there were a variety of factors that caused the cost of the movie to rise to $250M. It...
One source close to Amazon MGM said the budget never veered far from the figure Amazon green lit the movie at — $250 million. “It is completely normal for there to be budget fluctuations within 15% of the target, which is exactly what we experienced,” the person said.
I find the headline misleading, because it sounded to me like him being late cost an additional $250M, when there were a variety of factors that caused the cost of the movie to rise to $250M. It might not even matter given the above quote.
It seems like the whole piece is set up to make DJ seem like a self–centered jerk. He might be, for this or orther reasons, but the article seems overblown.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see that everyone is calling him Johnson or even DJ when everyone I ever hear talk about him IRL still calls him The Rock.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see that everyone is calling him Johnson or even DJ when everyone I ever hear talk about him IRL still calls him The Rock.
Sounds like he needs a better team, and to say no to stuff. A good chunk of it definitely is on him, but a lot of it could be avoided with an assistant to make sure stuff is on track - the article...
Sounds like he needs a better team, and to say no to stuff. A good chunk of it definitely is on him, but a lot of it could be avoided with an assistant to make sure stuff is on track - the article mentions other commitments and traffic lead to a two hour delay for a thing... only commit to one thing, leave earlier
Dunno what to say about the peeing in a bottle thing, though, that's just ew.
I do wonder if we'll get some stories in a couple of months/years about him being totally overwhelmed, dealing with some mental stuff, and just not knowing in which way to turn. Like, being late on set, then trying to make up by going to extremes in order to not waste time when there, etc. Think the dude really needs a break.
Give a chronically late movie star an assistant to manage their time and you know what you get? A chronically late movie star and a frazzled assistant.
A good chunk of it definitely is on him, but a lot of it could be avoided with an assistant to make sure stuff is on track - the article mentions other commitments and traffic lead to a two hour delay for a thing... only commit to one thing, leave earlier.
Give a chronically late movie star an assistant to manage their time and you know what you get? A chronically late movie star and a frazzled assistant.
Yip the article specifically says that the assistant doesn't ever make him mad. So it seems like he's a yes man that doesn't push for his boss to arrive on time - instead he probably runs around...
Yip the article specifically says that the assistant doesn't ever make him mad. So it seems like he's a yes man that doesn't push for his boss to arrive on time - instead he probably runs around making up excuses like the one about being stuck in traffic
I don't know what's going on with Johnson. He might genuinely be incredibly bad at time management, or at listening to staffers hired to help him manage it. He might also just be a pompous prick...
I don't know what's going on with Johnson. He might genuinely be incredibly bad at time management, or at listening to staffers hired to help him manage it. He might also just be a pompous prick who feels he's the most important thing and everyone else will wait for him. There's no way to know from that article.
But on the late thing, I used to be late. I was late to work, late to appointments, it just happened all the time. Because things would happen. I wouldn't sit down and figure out travel times, or prep times, or "get ready to leave" times. I'd leave things until the last moment, then scramble, then have unexpected stuff come up (traffic, calls, interruptions, forgot something, etc) and after adding it all up it equaled late.
I just got tired of it one day. And decided to no longer be late guy. And honestly, I think some version of that is the only real solution. Anything else is just penny-ante tiptoeing around the real issues; that you're not making leaving on time important. That you're not being mindful of schedule or commitments.
When I commit to something, I commit to it. Which means I sit down and think through travel time, prep time, get ready time, all of it. And apply it to the schedule, then add some fudge and delay factors. If anyone's gonna wait, it'll be me at the destination because I'm early; not everyone else.
But I'm not a multi-millionaire for whom a temporary corporation worth tens of millions of dollars will wait on. Then I guess it's okay. What does Johnson care? He's getting paid, and they pay it because he brings in the bucks. Which is something I see so many people not understanding about Hollywood.
A-list isn't an award, or a recognition of acting talent or "due" or anything. It's an acknowledgement that the actor will bring in an audience. When Johnson wants to be magnetically charismatic, he can be. He does it a lot in interviews, on talk shows, in movies, on tv, lots of places. That's why he's A-list. You hear he's in it, you're interested because it's him.
I was thinking about A-list the other day when I was trying out another Brit tv series that didn't pan out.
They never seem to factor charm or charisma or the ability of an actor to pull an audience. They seem to just audition people, and almost pick at random most of the time. Like it's taking turns or something. So when I stumble across some BBC/UK series, even a lot of their movies, if I put it on I'm often left perplexed why I'm watching.
Because few of their concepts are that compelling, that I'll watch just for the concept. Something like "ooh, I like bank robbery stories" or whatever. Few concepts are that compelling, for anyone. What you're usually watching for is the performances, because a compelling actor makes any material come alive.
A star anchors a production, even if it's just a TV star. Johnson might be a shit as a person (maybe, maybe not), but on screen he's magnetic. I'll consider watching anything he's in because it's him. There's actors like that. A-list, B-list, even C-list (aka genre stars).
Like Jason Statham or Gerard Butler. A lot of their films are them, maybe one or possibly two other faces you might vaguely recognize, and then a whole list of cheap nobodies. But you watch because it's a Statham or Butler film; they're the draw. They're the reason the film gets made. You gave it a chance because they're in it.
Take just about any of their films, and replace them with some stunt guy, or a fit nobody who'll take a fraction of their paycheck for the chance. Sure you saved having to pay their fee, but you also end up with a movie a fraction of a fraction of the previous audience will bother watching. Because they look at it and are like "who the hell is this random person starring in it?"
Like the UK approach, where I see something in a list that sounds like it might have a decent shot at being fun or interesting, but then I look through the cast list and it's just a big block of nobodies. And maybe I put it on anyway, but after half an hour I'm like "none of these people have any draw ... they're all background actors, just that some have been put in lead roles."
Johnson might be an asshole who's had great PR up until now, or maybe he turned into an asshole because power went to his head (wouldn't be the first, won't be the last), or maybe he's just the victim of a smear campaign because some folks have an axe to grind. But in the right role, in the right conditions, when he decides to flip his switch to turn his charm on, he's a lot of fun to watch.
It's funny, I have almost the opposite reaction. Whenever another Dwayne Johnson film comes out I'm automatically disinterested. It's a bit like, seen one, seen them all. He plays the same...
It's funny, I have almost the opposite reaction. Whenever another Dwayne Johnson film comes out I'm automatically disinterested. It's a bit like, seen one, seen them all. He plays the same character in every movie he's in whether or not it's a good fit.
On the other hand, BBC productions are often very good despite their lack of A-tier actors. Sure, maybe they don't have the raw charisma that Dwayne has, but to me that often makes for a more grounded and relatable show that isn't afraid to experiment with weird topics that Dwayne wouldn't touch with a 10 foot stick. Maybe as a result, in the last few years I've seen several BBC productions and basically no Dwayne movies.
I'm probably in the minority here if I had to guess, judging by the perceived success of his films.
I wonder who’s he pissed off for this article to come out.
That's what I was thinking.
It's also odd to me that people who worked with him say one thing - but the companies who he worked for are saying something else. Like, I'm not necessarily inclined to believe the companies, but at the same time it's hard to say that isn't just some folks with a vendetta.
But also... there's enough of a pattern that there likely is some truth behind it.
The companies are putting their name with their statements generally, the other people mostly seem to be anonymous sources. In that context, it makes sense why there would be that separation of statements, because no one wants their dirty laundry aired in public even if they don't intend to be late to set 8 hours a day every day, they still might be inclined to avoid working with companies that might publicly tarnish someone's image even if justified. So the companies are incentivized to only say good things publicly. Furthermore, a lot of the companies being discussed here are also being reported in a negative light, so confirming that Dwayne is as bad as the sources say is also in a way confirming the negative things about those companies to also be true. Like Amazon comes out looking like shit in this reporting, to admit that Dwayne is causing problems is to also admit that Amazon is incompetent.
Yes to all of the above. The best defense they could come up with is that "actually he is only late about 1 hour per day" which is already ridiculous behavior
I actually laughed out loud when I got to that point from the article. I feel like it's telling that they would note any amount of time.
Well, check your own shoe and all that.
The article says that over a dozen insiders said these things. That many people aren't gonna speak up unless you really are absurdly insufferable - this is an industry titan we're talking about here. Some of them could be risking their whole careers to speak out against him. So yeah I think it's unlikely that there isn't truth to this
Small nitpick:
'Dozens insiders' speaks not about The Rock behavior, they speaks about:
But is the next paragraph not also referring to those same insiders? The piss bottle thing says it's just "one insider" but the rest seems like it's still a dozen? I'm confused
I have read on a couple of social media discussions about The Rock lately that he is getting heat for the first time in his career at the same time that he is for the first time ever playing a villain (the heel) on WWE. It seems at least plausible that the two are somewhat related. I think he is taking the role in light of the justified criticism he received for refusing to play a villain in Black Adam/Shazam! which some would say has effectively killed both franchises. It's nice to see him finally willing to play a different sort of character, and it would be a bit of a shame if he was proven right in the end with playing a villain tanking his career. It would probably have made a bit more sense to do it in film instead of wrestling where he is basically playing himself in the ring.
Or maybe something else is going on and he's suddenly slipping like T.J. Miller did after his brain bleed.
This is interesting especially in the context of his beef with Vin Diesel over the Fast and Furious series. I feel like he came out of that pretty clean and Vin came out looking like he was too demanding. IN light of this one might wonder if maybe Vin was just expecting a certain level of professionalism and commitment to a big money making project.
But damn if Johnson isn't doing so much all the time. We see a lot of celebs taking on a lot of side projects. I don't follow many, but the amount of stuff Johnson is doing... seems like cracks are starting to show?
"The 8 hours late" sounds to me like a hit piece. He might've actually been 8 hours late but maybe he had a good reason and wasn't just acting primadonna? Sounds like people are pointing fingers in a production that was really tough in more ways than one.
Not that I really care about protecting The Rock's good name, he has enough money that he'd be fine if he didn't work a day in his life again -- and it's not like I'm going to miss his formulaic movies or public persona which I haven't cared for ever. With these kicks in the gut I do hope he starts acting again and does something cool, though I don't have high hopes for his A24 movie.
8 hours late and most likely without any notice.
If he was doing one of his 42 side hustles, he might've called or have one of his henchmen call the production and say "Dwayne is promoting his tequila/sunscreen/protein drink and will be late for about 8 hours". Done. Drama averted.
That way the 100 people waiting for him can adjust and prepare accordingly instead of just wondering where the F the star is so they can start doing their jobs.
That's definitely how the article tries to present it.
It feels like if celebrities don't cycle out of the spotlight and then diversify their brand, the general public eventually hits a point of apathy. Dwayne Johnson has been in everyone's faces for over a decade and the cracks started to show with the whole Vin Diesel beef. The stories like this have been around for a while but his movies were making enough money that the PR spin was worth it. But he just kept going all in on his Disney-safe persona and every one of his roles became the exact same character. Black Adam was that critical point where everyone sort of agreed that we don't want to deal with The Rock for a bit.
I've noticed it happen with the Kardashians craze tanking after the Kanye/Pete Davidson drama and even the Taylor Swift hype seems to have soured after the Grammys and Superbowl were hijacked by the artist. Now there's some weird diss track thing going on and a few of the casual fans I know seem completely uninterested.
Feels like Mr Beast and Ryan Reynolds are creeping on that limit as well and I'm curious what the tipping point could be.
Just a detail, it hasn't been a decade of the rock as a Hollywood star, it has been more than 20! The other day I was watching the first season of scrubs, which is from 2001, and they mentioned him as a movie star already.
It’s crazy to me how everyone seems to put up with this behavior. Producers, directors, other actors. Or maybe some do refuse to work with him?
He would be fired in any other job!
When you make studios billions of dollars, they’re willing to put up with quite a lot. And people working on the movies know that if it comes down to them or Johnson, the studio will pick Johnson every single time. So they’d rather not be a squeaky wheel and get a major credit under their belt.
I find the headline misleading, because it sounded to me like him being late cost an additional $250M, when there were a variety of factors that caused the cost of the movie to rise to $250M. It might not even matter given the above quote.
It seems like the whole piece is set up to make DJ seem like a self–centered jerk. He might be, for this or orther reasons, but the article seems overblown.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see that everyone is calling him Johnson or even DJ when everyone I ever hear talk about him IRL still calls him The Rock.
Sounds like he needs a better team, and to say no to stuff. A good chunk of it definitely is on him, but a lot of it could be avoided with an assistant to make sure stuff is on track - the article mentions other commitments and traffic lead to a two hour delay for a thing... only commit to one thing, leave earlier
Dunno what to say about the peeing in a bottle thing, though, that's just ew.
I do wonder if we'll get some stories in a couple of months/years about him being totally overwhelmed, dealing with some mental stuff, and just not knowing in which way to turn. Like, being late on set, then trying to make up by going to extremes in order to not waste time when there, etc. Think the dude really needs a break.
Give a chronically late movie star an assistant to manage their time and you know what you get? A chronically late movie star and a frazzled assistant.
Yip the article specifically says that the assistant doesn't ever make him mad. So it seems like he's a yes man that doesn't push for his boss to arrive on time - instead he probably runs around making up excuses like the one about being stuck in traffic
I don't know what's going on with Johnson. He might genuinely be incredibly bad at time management, or at listening to staffers hired to help him manage it. He might also just be a pompous prick who feels he's the most important thing and everyone else will wait for him. There's no way to know from that article.
But on the late thing, I used to be late. I was late to work, late to appointments, it just happened all the time. Because things would happen. I wouldn't sit down and figure out travel times, or prep times, or "get ready to leave" times. I'd leave things until the last moment, then scramble, then have unexpected stuff come up (traffic, calls, interruptions, forgot something, etc) and after adding it all up it equaled late.
I just got tired of it one day. And decided to no longer be late guy. And honestly, I think some version of that is the only real solution. Anything else is just penny-ante tiptoeing around the real issues; that you're not making leaving on time important. That you're not being mindful of schedule or commitments.
When I commit to something, I commit to it. Which means I sit down and think through travel time, prep time, get ready time, all of it. And apply it to the schedule, then add some fudge and delay factors. If anyone's gonna wait, it'll be me at the destination because I'm early; not everyone else.
But I'm not a multi-millionaire for whom a temporary corporation worth tens of millions of dollars will wait on. Then I guess it's okay. What does Johnson care? He's getting paid, and they pay it because he brings in the bucks. Which is something I see so many people not understanding about Hollywood.
A-list isn't an award, or a recognition of acting talent or "due" or anything. It's an acknowledgement that the actor will bring in an audience. When Johnson wants to be magnetically charismatic, he can be. He does it a lot in interviews, on talk shows, in movies, on tv, lots of places. That's why he's A-list. You hear he's in it, you're interested because it's him.
I was thinking about A-list the other day when I was trying out another Brit tv series that didn't pan out.
They never seem to factor charm or charisma or the ability of an actor to pull an audience. They seem to just audition people, and almost pick at random most of the time. Like it's taking turns or something. So when I stumble across some BBC/UK series, even a lot of their movies, if I put it on I'm often left perplexed why I'm watching.
Because few of their concepts are that compelling, that I'll watch just for the concept. Something like "ooh, I like bank robbery stories" or whatever. Few concepts are that compelling, for anyone. What you're usually watching for is the performances, because a compelling actor makes any material come alive.
A star anchors a production, even if it's just a TV star. Johnson might be a shit as a person (maybe, maybe not), but on screen he's magnetic. I'll consider watching anything he's in because it's him. There's actors like that. A-list, B-list, even C-list (aka genre stars).
Like Jason Statham or Gerard Butler. A lot of their films are them, maybe one or possibly two other faces you might vaguely recognize, and then a whole list of cheap nobodies. But you watch because it's a Statham or Butler film; they're the draw. They're the reason the film gets made. You gave it a chance because they're in it.
Take just about any of their films, and replace them with some stunt guy, or a fit nobody who'll take a fraction of their paycheck for the chance. Sure you saved having to pay their fee, but you also end up with a movie a fraction of a fraction of the previous audience will bother watching. Because they look at it and are like "who the hell is this random person starring in it?"
Like the UK approach, where I see something in a list that sounds like it might have a decent shot at being fun or interesting, but then I look through the cast list and it's just a big block of nobodies. And maybe I put it on anyway, but after half an hour I'm like "none of these people have any draw ... they're all background actors, just that some have been put in lead roles."
Johnson might be an asshole who's had great PR up until now, or maybe he turned into an asshole because power went to his head (wouldn't be the first, won't be the last), or maybe he's just the victim of a smear campaign because some folks have an axe to grind. But in the right role, in the right conditions, when he decides to flip his switch to turn his charm on, he's a lot of fun to watch.
It's funny, I have almost the opposite reaction. Whenever another Dwayne Johnson film comes out I'm automatically disinterested. It's a bit like, seen one, seen them all. He plays the same character in every movie he's in whether or not it's a good fit.
On the other hand, BBC productions are often very good despite their lack of A-tier actors. Sure, maybe they don't have the raw charisma that Dwayne has, but to me that often makes for a more grounded and relatable show that isn't afraid to experiment with weird topics that Dwayne wouldn't touch with a 10 foot stick. Maybe as a result, in the last few years I've seen several BBC productions and basically no Dwayne movies.
I'm probably in the minority here if I had to guess, judging by the perceived success of his films.