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US Supreme Court leaves in place a Texas law requiring pornographic websites to verify users' ages

17 comments

  1. [7]
    MimicSquid
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    ... while they hear the full complaint. This is still a heavy blow to Texans' ability to view legal material in their own state without obnoxious "big government" intervention, but the suit is...

    ... while they hear the full complaint.

    This is still a heavy blow to Texans' ability to view legal material in their own state without obnoxious "big government" intervention, but the suit is still being heard.

    42 votes
    1. [6]
      fineboi
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      Back in the day I used to babysit and the kids ages 5 and up would show me the porn they would watch at home. I knew the parents personally and the parents didn’t watch porn. The kids learned from...

      Back in the day I used to babysit and the kids ages 5 and up would show me the porn they would watch at home. I knew the parents personally and the parents didn’t watch porn. The kids learned from their friends and happen to have parents that didn’t care how they used their tablets.

      I’m for the ban and if you really need a porn fix, just get a vpn. Once you trigger the vpn you can access all ur favorite videos, if that is ur cup of tea.

      1 vote
      1. Adys
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        Sorry, you’re in favour of the ban on the basis that other countries shouldn’t roll out such a ban so people can still use VPNs? Did I miss something?

        Sorry, you’re in favour of the ban on the basis that other countries shouldn’t roll out such a ban so people can still use VPNs?

        Did I miss something?

        55 votes
      2. CptBluebear
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        That's a strong statement that is often proven to be untrue. Surveys on penis size and porn are notoriously difficult because people constantly lie about both. Aside from that, I don't see how...

        I knew the parents personally and the parents didn’t watch porn.

        That's a strong statement that is often proven to be untrue. Surveys on penis size and porn are notoriously difficult because people constantly lie about both.

        Aside from that, I don't see how your story relates to a ban and how it will work. It sounds like the parents aren't looking at what the kids are doing online and no porn ban will stop the kids from finding it.

        This is a personal parenting problem, not a statewide mandate problem.

        32 votes
      3. raze2012
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        Do you really think a child can't learn how to activate a VPN? Every generation seems to underestimate what the new generation can learn to pick up while they are young. I was 12 and already...

        if you really need a porn fix, just get a vpn

        Do you really think a child can't learn how to activate a VPN? Every generation seems to underestimate what the new generation can learn to pick up while they are young. I was 12 and already figuring out how to load pirated games on my PSP and apply translation patches to them. Downloading a free app and pressing a few buttons is barely a road bump for a determined kid.

        16 votes
      4. TurtleCracker
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        There are already tools that parents can use to help filter out pornography, as well as tools that allow parents to audit activity on children's devices. For example, the parental controls...

        There are already tools that parents can use to help filter out pornography, as well as tools that allow parents to audit activity on children's devices.

        For example, the parental controls available in iOS: https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121

        Preventing access to specific materials should be a parental responsibility, in my opinion, not the government's responsibility. Sites that host explicit content should cooperate on this to make parental tools easier to implement and work correctly.

        Advocating for a policy that prevents someone from acquiring content, then offering the solution that they should break the law (I guess?) by using a VPN does not seem logically consistent.

        11 votes
      5. YoRHaOS
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        The thing is what I worry most about is even with laws like that, the internet is just so full of it that it almost seems impossible to keep it fully away. I used to work at a school and we had a...

        The thing is what I worry most about is even with laws like that, the internet is just so full of it that it almost seems impossible to keep it fully away. I used to work at a school and we had a pretty great content filter.. atleast we thought. Until we got a report that if you searched for the word Candle that you would come across a obscure site where people were using candles for NSFW stuff. Heck as a kid i remember searching Pokemon stuff on Google and if you scrolled down enough it would just be full of it. (Which of course 7 year old me had to show to his friends..) Honestly it's a pretty interesting thing to discuss because some parents absolutely don't watch out for it which results in what you said, but no matter how many times people ask parents to pay attention to it.. they just dont. I mean Safe Search isn't amazing (like above) but it should keep a regular 5 year old away from most stuff.

        9 votes
  2. [7]
    Haywright
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    They claim we need age verification because porn is addictive? Are we also going to require ID to buy soda, coffee, video games, and trading cards? What a silly line of reasoning. Texas is yet...

    They claim we need age verification because porn is addictive? Are we also going to require ID to buy soda, coffee, video games, and trading cards? What a silly line of reasoning. Texas is yet again dragging us decades into the past

    34 votes
    1. [6]
      MimicSquid
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      For the record, I'm absolutely against this law, but we do require ID for alcohol, weed, and tobacco, and require a medical prescription for various drugs that are even more addictive. Some places...

      For the record, I'm absolutely against this law, but we do require ID for alcohol, weed, and tobacco, and require a medical prescription for various drugs that are even more addictive. Some places ban various form of entertainment recognized to encourage behavioral addition, like various forms of gambling (including loot boxes in video games.) It's not a black and white situation. I just personally think that this sort of law is remarkably intrusive for something that people engage in legally in the privacy of their own homes.

      But then again, Texas has always been really interested in what happens in other people's bedrooms.

      24 votes
      1. raze2012
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        Yeah, but the US doesn't. That's the point. The things banned have to have proven real world harm to get to that point, but most of porn's arguments are moral instead of backed by hard studies. Or...

        Some places ban various form of entertainment recognized to encourage behavioral addition, like various forms of gambling (including loot boxes in video games.)

        Yeah, but the US doesn't. That's the point. The things banned have to have proven real world harm to get to that point, but most of porn's arguments are moral instead of backed by hard studies. Or if we're being frank; have disrupted other economic sectors of the US. So prostitution and gambling is out, but lootboxes are still in their little corner because government rarely cares about video games.

        As is most of the reasons that led to the law being passed.

        17 votes
      2. [3]
        Arthur
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        We ban (restrict) those things because they're harmful, not because they're addictive. If you want to make the claim that porn is harmful, either through it's creation or consumption, that's a...

        We ban (restrict) those things because they're harmful, not because they're addictive. If you want to make the claim that porn is harmful, either through it's creation or consumption, that's a different issue. (And not one I'm qualified to engage in discussion about). But addiction alone is a poor qualifier for banning something. I mean studies suggest that even sugar might be addictive (and harmful, for that matter). Hell, some people find exercise addictive!

        14 votes
        1. [2]
          wedgel
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          But porn isn't really that harmfull. It helps keep incels distracted, which is a lot better than joining neo-nazi groups.

          But porn isn't really that harmfull. It helps keep incels distracted, which is a lot better than joining neo-nazi groups.

          4 votes
          1. Arthur
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            As I said, I'm not really qualified to engage in discussion about that, I simply haven't researched the facts. I think it's an important discussion to have, but not an argument I'm making (for...

            As I said, I'm not really qualified to engage in discussion about that, I simply haven't researched the facts. I think it's an important discussion to have, but not an argument I'm making (for either side).

            3 votes
      3. vord
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        And to be clear: You need to provide ID to buy porn in-person as well. Just the inability to prove age on the internet created a wild west of sorts. While I agree the law is a bad one as written,...

        And to be clear: You need to provide ID to buy porn in-person as well. Just the inability to prove age on the internet created a wild west of sorts.

        While I agree the law is a bad one as written, it's not as if there's no precedent for requiring age verification for a whole host of things.

        10 votes
  3. [3]
    SteeeveTheSteve
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    I don't get this, porn won't melt their brains. It's better to teach them it isn't acceptable to watch (even tho everyone does) or show to others, about how porn sites are risky (some of the...

    I don't get this, porn won't melt their brains. It's better to teach them it isn't acceptable to watch (even tho everyone does) or show to others, about how porn sites are risky (some of the sketchier ones can have viruses or try to hack you) and leave it at that. Even with age verification, they will find porn. For the less savvy ones, this just guarantees it'll be at sketchier websites or possibly images traded online with sketchy people. For the more savvy, they'll just VPN around any blocks.

    Younger kids shouldn't be a worry at all. Until they're old enough to browse the web safely, they shouldn't have free access to it and use whatever kidmode your tablet/phone has to limit the apps they can use.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      boxer_dogs_dance
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      Texas has a lot of fundamentalist Christian influence. They think porn equals bad

      Texas has a lot of fundamentalist Christian influence. They think porn equals bad

      7 votes
      1. SteeeveTheSteve
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        Oh right, I forget Texas is part of that group. :/

        Oh right, I forget Texas is part of that group. :/

        2 votes