Honestly haven't even watched this teaser yet, but good lord can we at least finish the main adaptions before we start milking the IP for everything it's worth. Dune Part 2 just had a huge...
Honestly haven't even watched this teaser yet, but good lord can we at least finish the main adaptions before we start milking the IP for everything it's worth.
Dune Part 2 just had a huge cultural moment, not letting it breath a bit seems like they're not learning any lessons from the franchise fatigue we just saw with Star Wars and Marvel. Although seeing now that it was ordered before Dune Part 1 even came out makes sense.
Maybe it'll be awesome, I'm just worried it'll strip away a lot of the unknowns that make Frank Herbert's original series so magical before we ever get to experience that wonder on the big screen with the characters we're already attached to.
That's...the exact opposite of what they need to do. Dune is a obscure IP. Despite this they have captured some small portion of the zeitgeist. These things don't last and if they wait until some...
That's...the exact opposite of what they need to do.
Dune is a obscure IP. Despite this they have captured some small portion of the zeitgeist. These things don't last and if they wait until some vague amount of time to "let it breath" they could very likely lose the general public's interest.
This is a money making venture, not an art peicem Obviously they could go too far in the other direction and Marvelize the IP by putting out 6 new products every year but as long as it's one film and one television show I'm sure we will all be fine.
That's where you lose me and I ask us to look in the mirror for a second about how we're thinking about what is objectively a form of art... Regardless, I'm also not sure the Dune movies can be...
This is a money making venture, not an art peice
That's where you lose me and I ask us to look in the mirror for a second about how we're thinking about what is objectively a form of art...
Regardless, I'm also not sure the Dune movies can be categorized as a small portion of the zeitgeist anymore. For comparison, they've each made more money than the spider-verse films and so far Part 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year. Anecdotally at least in my circles the universe is all over social media and I've heard separate organic word of mouth from multiple different friend groups and at work. Maybe capitalizing on that hype will work out right now, but I truly think Dune relies on a lot of mystique that even a minor over-saturation of media could harm.
I think the point here is that it doesn't matter that it's art to the people who approve of/finance making these movies/shows. The goal is to make money, and they're more than willing to...
I think the point here is that it doesn't matter that it's art to the people who approve of/finance making these movies/shows. The goal is to make money, and they're more than willing to oversaturate and expand upon a universe that really doesn't need it in that venture.
The two main instances of this happening before are Star Wars and Marvel, but both have grossed so many billions that there's no way those film execs aren't going to keep chasing that dragon. Does it really matter if they sour the IP when it eventually flops?
In looking at the domestic box office for 2024, Dune: Part Two is indeed at the #1 spot with a gross of $282 million. However, go back just one year, and that $282 million gross doesn't look as...
For comparison, they've each made more money than the spider-verse films and so far Part 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year.
However, go back just one year, and that $282 million gross doesn't look as impressive. It would put it in #7th position, above Wonka ($218 million) but below The Little Mermaid ($298 million). Based on the numbers alone, that would suggest that it is as deeply embedded in our culture as yet another Willy Wonka movie and another Disney live-action remake. And that's to say nothing about the first five spots.
I love Dune and it is, in fact, how I met my wife, but I don't think it's a major part of the overall zeitgeist right now. I'm sure there's more attention being given to it now than before the films, but it's always been one of the big sci-fi classics.
At least it's doing better than Blade Runner 2049 did ($92 million in 2017)!
Personally, once it crosses the threshold where Warner Bros. is willing to finance another sequel with a reasonable budget, I'm happy.
It still made 700M worldwide which is 100M more than Wonka and 200M more than Little Mermaid. Still I go back to 2019 and I don’t think anyone thought a Dune movie would be able to make that much.
It still made 700M worldwide which is 100M more than Wonka and 200M more than Little Mermaid. Still I go back to 2019 and I don’t think anyone thought a Dune movie would be able to make that much.
This is a really weird thing to hear. Dune is right up there with LoTR in terms of impactful legacy...bestselling sci-fi novel in history. David Lynch adapted Dune at his peak career. Which would...
This is a really weird thing to hear. Dune is right up there with LoTR in terms of impactful legacy...bestselling sci-fi novel in history.
David Lynch adapted Dune at his peak career. Which would be roughly be akin to saying "Oh we're going to have Christopher Nolan adapt LoTR instead of Peter Jackson" shortly after the release of Memento.
Just because it's hard to adapt doesn't mean it's obscure...
I'll be sitting here in my corner reading Insomnia again....
Dune (before the 2021 movie of course) was in a bit of an odd place in terms of being "obscure" or not. Everyone had surely seen content that parodied it (such as South Park episodes) or content...
Dune (before the 2021 movie of course) was in a bit of an odd place in terms of being "obscure" or not. Everyone had surely seen content that parodied it (such as South Park episodes) or content inspired by it (like Star Wars), but only the types of people who, well, read sci-fi novels had read it, and were familiar with it beyond the surface level memes like "The spice must flow!" That doesn't include general audiences: the Star Wars, MCU, and Jackson LOTR film fans. How many of those MCU fans read comic books, or how many Jackson trilogy fans read the books? To those audiences, Dune was pretty obscure. Pretty much any series that exists solely as books is obscure compared to movies and TV, with the exception of successful YA novels, which promply get a much more popular adaptation. ASOIAF existed before Game of Thrones, but I sure didn't hear about it until the show.
Oh I get that modern viewing audiences thought obscure...but then most people probably thought LoTR was obscure circa 1990-something. Course it probably helps that more people read books back...
Oh I get that modern viewing audiences thought obscure...but then most people probably thought LoTR was obscure circa 1990-something.
Course it probably helps that more people read books back before cable TV hit the scene.
Science fiction is also one of the most-read genres, especially around when it came out.
The cinematography has a “made for TV” quality to it where it only superficially borrows the elements that gave Denis Villeneuve’s Dune its mystical gravitas but then processes it through the...
The cinematography has a “made for TV” quality to it where it only superficially borrows the elements that gave Denis Villeneuve’s Dune its mystical gravitas but then processes it through the Formulaic Action TV cinematography machine.
This seems awful. Not sure if it's actually pulling from the prequel material (which uh..to my understanding, is awful) or if it's their own concoction, but I'm skeptical at best that this will be...
This seems awful. Not sure if it's actually pulling from the prequel material (which uh..to my understanding, is awful) or if it's their own concoction, but I'm skeptical at best that this will be worth the time.
Yeah, attempts to expand the universe beyond what Frank Herbert wrote have been tried before and failed. Hopefully they are more successful here. I will be curious to see the reviews. (Though TV...
Yeah, attempts to expand the universe beyond what Frank Herbert wrote have been tried before and failed. Hopefully they are more successful here.
I will be curious to see the reviews. (Though TV reviews are a bit odd in that they don't seem to consistently be reviews of entire seasons so much as the opening episode or two.)
Welcome to... Survivor. That's all I can hear from that background music. Looks interesting, definitely happy to have more Dune, if anything it will likely inspire more people to appreciate and...
Welcome to... Survivor. That's all I can hear from that background music.
Looks interesting, definitely happy to have more Dune, if anything it will likely inspire more people to appreciate and check out Foundation.
I'm on book 4 now, so I guess you could call me a fan. I'll probably watch this show, but like, I'm not excited or anything. More confused than anything.
I'm on book 4 now, so I guess you could call me a fan.
I'll probably watch this show, but like, I'm not excited or anything. More confused than anything.
Well, this was ordered in 2019 before Villeneuve had released the first part (as JackA said). Villeneuve was still working on book one, and was interested in making Dune Messiah as well. It...
Well, this was ordered in 2019 before Villeneuve had released the first part (as JackA said). Villeneuve was still working on book one, and was interested in making Dune Messiah as well. It would've been weird to step on his toes for book 2, or to adapt book 3 or 4 out of order, wouldn't it?
Prequel stuff can be released at any time, but a show adaptation of Children or God Emperor should wait until the Messiah movie.
Honestly haven't even watched this teaser yet, but good lord can we at least finish the main adaptions before we start milking the IP for everything it's worth.
Dune Part 2 just had a huge cultural moment, not letting it breath a bit seems like they're not learning any lessons from the franchise fatigue we just saw with Star Wars and Marvel. Although seeing now that it was ordered before Dune Part 1 even came out makes sense.
Maybe it'll be awesome, I'm just worried it'll strip away a lot of the unknowns that make Frank Herbert's original series so magical before we ever get to experience that wonder on the big screen with the characters we're already attached to.
That's...the exact opposite of what they need to do.
Dune is a obscure IP. Despite this they have captured some small portion of the zeitgeist. These things don't last and if they wait until some vague amount of time to "let it breath" they could very likely lose the general public's interest.
This is a money making venture, not an art peicem Obviously they could go too far in the other direction and Marvelize the IP by putting out 6 new products every year but as long as it's one film and one television show I'm sure we will all be fine.
That's where you lose me and I ask us to look in the mirror for a second about how we're thinking about what is objectively a form of art...
Regardless, I'm also not sure the Dune movies can be categorized as a small portion of the zeitgeist anymore. For comparison, they've each made more money than the spider-verse films and so far Part 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year. Anecdotally at least in my circles the universe is all over social media and I've heard separate organic word of mouth from multiple different friend groups and at work. Maybe capitalizing on that hype will work out right now, but I truly think Dune relies on a lot of mystique that even a minor over-saturation of media could harm.
I think the point here is that it doesn't matter that it's art to the people who approve of/finance making these movies/shows. The goal is to make money, and they're more than willing to oversaturate and expand upon a universe that really doesn't need it in that venture.
The two main instances of this happening before are Star Wars and Marvel, but both have grossed so many billions that there's no way those film execs aren't going to keep chasing that dragon. Does it really matter if they sour the IP when it eventually flops?
In looking at the domestic box office for 2024, Dune: Part Two is indeed at the #1 spot with a gross of $282 million.
However, go back just one year, and that $282 million gross doesn't look as impressive. It would put it in #7th position, above Wonka ($218 million) but below The Little Mermaid ($298 million). Based on the numbers alone, that would suggest that it is as deeply embedded in our culture as yet another Willy Wonka movie and another Disney live-action remake. And that's to say nothing about the first five spots.
I love Dune and it is, in fact, how I met my wife, but I don't think it's a major part of the overall zeitgeist right now. I'm sure there's more attention being given to it now than before the films, but it's always been one of the big sci-fi classics.
At least it's doing better than Blade Runner 2049 did ($92 million in 2017)!
Personally, once it crosses the threshold where Warner Bros. is willing to finance another sequel with a reasonable budget, I'm happy.
It still made 700M worldwide which is 100M more than Wonka and 200M more than Little Mermaid. Still I go back to 2019 and I don’t think anyone thought a Dune movie would be able to make that much.
This is a really weird thing to hear. Dune is right up there with LoTR in terms of impactful legacy...bestselling sci-fi novel in history.
David Lynch adapted Dune at his peak career. Which would be roughly be akin to saying "Oh we're going to have Christopher Nolan adapt LoTR instead of Peter Jackson" shortly after the release of Memento.
Just because it's hard to adapt doesn't mean it's obscure...
I'll be sitting here in my corner reading Insomnia again....
Dune (before the 2021 movie of course) was in a bit of an odd place in terms of being "obscure" or not. Everyone had surely seen content that parodied it (such as South Park episodes) or content inspired by it (like Star Wars), but only the types of people who, well, read sci-fi novels had read it, and were familiar with it beyond the surface level memes like "The spice must flow!" That doesn't include general audiences: the Star Wars, MCU, and Jackson LOTR film fans. How many of those MCU fans read comic books, or how many Jackson trilogy fans read the books? To those audiences, Dune was pretty obscure. Pretty much any series that exists solely as books is obscure compared to movies and TV, with the exception of successful YA novels, which promply get a much more popular adaptation. ASOIAF existed before Game of Thrones, but I sure didn't hear about it until the show.
Oh I get that modern viewing audiences thought obscure...but then most people probably thought LoTR was obscure circa 1990-something.
Course it probably helps that more people read books back before cable TV hit the scene.
Science fiction is also one of the most-read genres, especially around when it came out.
The cinematography has a “made for TV” quality to it where it only superficially borrows the elements that gave Denis Villeneuve’s Dune its mystical gravitas but then processes it through the Formulaic Action TV cinematography machine.
I'm sorry what in the Brian Herbert prequels?
This seems awful. Not sure if it's actually pulling from the prequel material (which uh..to my understanding, is awful) or if it's their own concoction, but I'm skeptical at best that this will be worth the time.
Yeah, attempts to expand the universe beyond what Frank Herbert wrote have been tried before and failed. Hopefully they are more successful here.
I will be curious to see the reviews. (Though TV reviews are a bit odd in that they don't seem to consistently be reviews of entire seasons so much as the opening episode or two.)
Welcome to... Survivor. That's all I can hear from that background music.
Looks interesting, definitely happy to have more Dune, if anything it will likely inspire more people to appreciate and check out Foundation.
HBO Max, enjoy your immunity and box office success.
Netflix... Got nothin' for ya, head back to camp.
I'm on book 4 now, so I guess you could call me a fan.
I'll probably watch this show, but like, I'm not excited or anything. More confused than anything.
This could also describe me when I read the first book.
Why, why prequel, why not next books? Books about childrens, about god-imperator placed in next thousands years?
Well, this was ordered in 2019 before Villeneuve had released the first part (as JackA said). Villeneuve was still working on book one, and was interested in making Dune Messiah as well. It would've been weird to step on his toes for book 2, or to adapt book 3 or 4 out of order, wouldn't it?
Prequel stuff can be released at any time, but a show adaptation of Children or God Emperor should wait until the Messiah movie.
Thanks! Have no idea. Make sense
I mean it doesn't look like the movies, but it still looks pretty good! Hopefully not a Sicario 2 situation though but I will definitely be watching