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  1. Comment on Reddit is adding native video ads starting next week in ~tech

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    Because the redesign isn't sluggish enough, right? Now you also have to sit through video ads once the site finally loads. Weee!

    Because the redesign isn't sluggish enough, right? Now you also have to sit through video ads once the site finally loads. Weee!

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  2. Comment on Fallout 76: Yay or Nay? in ~games

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    That's a weird criticism to throw when the original games were built around a chance-based system. If anything, the implementation in FO3 is less chance-based than that of the original games—hits...

    the guns in Fo3 are tied to this weird chance based-system instead of the more straightforward hitscan system of Fo4

    That's a weird criticism to throw when the original games were built around a chance-based system. If anything, the implementation in FO3 is less chance-based than that of the original games—hits are not randomly decided outside V.A.T.S., the only part where chance comes into play is in the damage calculation and critical hits—or that of New Vegas, which follows the original damage calculation formula much more closely. Hit boxes and collision detection are shit, which is probably where this "hits are chance-based" idea comes from—and they have been a very weak point of the Gamebryo/Creation engine from the start, that much is true. I agree that combat feels much more responsive and fluid in Fallout 4 than in 3. But like combat, all the other aspects you list are examples of what I was talking about in my previous comment when I said:

    they're both open-world ARPGs developed by the same studio, using the same technology

    Collision detection in Oblivion was crap. It's a bit less crap in FO3, but still pretty crappy. Combat AI in Oblivion is laughably bad, and it's only a bit less laughably bad in FO3. But I don't recall combat in the original games being anything else than "hit them first, pray you don't miss, and manage your AP wisely". I certainly don't remember enemies using any sort of tactic that didn't involve planting themselves in front of you and hitting you.

    The heart of the "Oblivion with guns" argument isn't one of equivalence, it's that the underlying systems of Fo3 and Oblivion are so similar you could probably import things from one game into the other wholesale and, technical issues aside, it wouldn't break the game.

    Yeah, I know this is what the argument is at its core, and I agree with that. I don't see it as a negative however, and I definitely think it falls on the lazy side of criticism when dealing with Fallout 3. It focuses on the technical similarities of the games and ignores everything else. As a big fan of FO3 I can tell you there are a lot of aspects that could've been handled better, as well as a few instances where they messed up in a spectacular fashion. Fallout 3 is not a perfect game by any means, but I think it's much closer to the original titles than the vast majority of its critics are willing to admit, and that the similarities between it and Oblivion say mean very little when looking at the experience and not the under-the-hood aspect of the game.

    That being said, I do agree that this is all personal preference ;)

    Edit: Words.

  3. Comment on Fallout 76: Yay or Nay? in ~games

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    I actually try to cut down on the amount of "I think", "I believe", "for me", etc. in my comments because they end up breaking the flow of my argument, and because I don't think it's necessary to...

    I actually try to cut down on the amount of "I think", "I believe", "for me", etc. in my comments because they end up breaking the flow of my argument, and because I don't think it's necessary to add the disclaimer to every sentence when I'm very obviously (at least for me, but maybe it's not that clear for others) stating an opinion. So yeah, to me, based on what I like and have come to expect from Fallout games, 76 is a Fallout game in name only.

    And yeah, I think Fallout Shelter falls under that same category. It's a fun game, I played it for a while when it came out, and it was amusing to see well-known characters from the main games show up now and again. But to me it's not a Fallout game in the way the main-series games are. It's a resource management mobile game with a Fallout aesthetic and characters.

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  4. Comment on Fallout 76: Yay or Nay? in ~games

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    If you actually read my posts you'll notice they're filled with disclaimers that I'm merely stating my opinion, which is kind of expected in a thread where OP says they want to read other people's...

    If you actually read my posts you'll notice they're filled with disclaimers that I'm merely stating my opinion, which is kind of expected in a thread where OP says they want to read other people's opinions. Nowhere did I make an attempt to "designate what is and isn't a 'true' Fallout game", nor did I present my opinion as anything more than that, so I'm not sure where you're going with your comment.

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  5. Comment on Fallout 76: Yay or Nay? in ~games

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    Absolutely, but I think the resulting experience was in line with previous games, even if the gameplay and some aspects of the setting and environment are very different. And I've personally never...

    Fallout 3, was itself a departure from the standard form of previous Fallout games

    Absolutely, but I think the resulting experience was in line with previous games, even if the gameplay and some aspects of the setting and environment are very different. And I've personally never been a big fan of turn-based gameplay, so I enjoyed having a Fallout game without it. There are also differences in writing style—Bethesda's more goofy and juvenile brand of humor vs the absurdist, dark tone from the first two games comes to mind—or the "simplification" of dialogue, which is a direct result of doing away with voiceless characters and having to record thousands upon thousands of lines.

    I think the "Oblivion with guns" meme as an argument is pretty lazy. If you remade Oblivion as a turn-based isometric RPG, would you end up with "Fallout but with magic and swords"? The games have a lot in common, because they're both open-world ARPGs developed by the same studio, using the same technology. But saying they're effectively the same is, in my opinion, pretty inaccurate.

    Fallout is a setting and not a rigidly defined series of games or principles

    The Fallout universe is a setting, sure, and even on that front Bethesda is making some very questionable moves with FO76, from what I've seen in the teasers. But to me Fallout is more than a post-apocalyptic game set in a retro-futuristic 1950s-inspired version of America. The sense of exploration and being lost in a hostile and strange world; an open-ended world where you can be any character you want; exploring the ruins of humankind, almost wiped out by its own technological hubris; seeing pockets of civilization holding on to the old ways or building new societies, while others just thrive in lawlessness and violence; unearthing personal stories of people who are long gone. To me, things like these are what make a Fallout game. This is why settlement building felt out of place in Fallout 4, or why it's main quest bored me to tears. My character is no longer whomever I want them to be, doing whatever I want—they're now a concerned parent looking for their kidnapped child, and a builder of shanty towns. Saying the execution of the main quest was "ham-fisted" is extremely generous. And settlement building, while fun at times, isn't what I play Fallout games for.

    FO76, like Tactics in its day, is not what I think of when I think "Fallout". Tactics was a pretty decent game on its own, and 76 can certainly be a good game too, I'm not saying it'll be shit or anything. But I'm not interested in it because, under the familiar coating of retro-futurism and 1950s Americana, the core elements of a Fallout game seem to be missing or pushed to the side. That's a much bigger departure than going from turn-based to real-time combat.

  6. Comment on Fallout 76: Yay or Nay? in ~games

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    Fallout 76 sounds to me like the new Fallout Tactics—it takes place in the Fallout universe and has a Fallout aesthetic, but it's its story-telling and gameplay have nothing at all to do with the...

    Fallout 76 sounds to me like the new Fallout Tactics—it takes place in the Fallout universe and has a Fallout aesthetic, but it's its story-telling and gameplay have nothing at all to do with the main games. I'm a fan of the main games because I like being immersed in the world, discovering its stories, exploring at my own pace, talking to to NPCs. Building bases and PvP are not something I'm interested in having in a Fallout game, or any game. I don't care for online play at all at this point.

    Would've I preferred if they left the Fallout franchise alone instead of making an online survival game with its name? Probably, but after Fallout 4 I don't really have much hope for the next Bethesda Fallout game, whenever that might come. (I loved FO3 and I still play it from time to time, and yes, Fallout 3 is a pretty good Fallout game despite the anti-FO3 bandwagoning). I'm not against Bethesda trying out new things, and I get that they're looking for ways to keep the cash flowing while they work on Starfield, and then TESVI. So they're doing what every other studio is doing. It's probably going to sell pretty damn well, too.

    So, for me, FO76 is a definite "nay". It focuses on things I don't care about, and offers none of the things I want. It's a Fallout game in name only. But I'm getting used to that, as I've found myself caring less and less about new games each year. The industry as a whole has been moving in a direction that I don't find particularly appealing. Bethesda is just following suit.

    4 votes
  7. Comment on I'm so excited about the Singapore summit. I am really hoping for a productive deal to come out of it. in ~talk

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    A "productive deal" would obviously be a great thing not only for the US, but for the Koreas and the world. I have to say though, nothing I've read points to this meeting having any goals,...

    A "productive deal" would obviously be a great thing not only for the US, but for the Koreas and the world. I have to say though, nothing I've read points to this meeting having any goals, concrete proposals, or even any points for discussion. North Korea seems to be more interested in scoring a PR victory—Kim being recognized as a legitimate world player, and NK's threats being serious enough to "force" the US president to sit down and talk—and loosening the sanctions a bit, if only for a few months. On the other hand, Trump's blatant disregard for diplomacy and preparedness tell me that he's only interested in the event itself—being able to say he got Kim to sit down and talk, despite what his "haters" were saying—and cares very little about the actual results.

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  8. Comment on A pilot study conducted on r/politics on Reddit found that removing downvote buttons did not offer substantial benefits in ~science

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    If you're going to make that a requirement, you might as well get rid of the downvote altogether, the way ~ does. If you see a comment that you disagree with, you can either voice your...

    I feel like a downvote should require a comment to explain why

    If you're going to make that a requirement, you might as well get rid of the downvote altogether, the way ~ does. If you see a comment that you disagree with, you can either voice your disagreement in a reply (supporting genuine conversation) or just ignore it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I think any sort of downvote/flag/negative-feedback option will end up being used as a "disagree" button regardless of the site's etiquette or community rules, so it's probably best not to have them in the first place.

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  9. Comment on [Repost] [Extension] Tildes Extended in ~tildes

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    Been using the Chrome extension since you made the original post and it's been working perfectly, so thank you! These tweaks might seem small, but they make using the site a lot better. No bugs to...

    Been using the Chrome extension since you made the original post and it's been working perfectly, so thank you! These tweaks might seem small, but they make using the site a lot better. No bugs to report either, everything's been smooth sailing so far ;)

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  10. Comment on Daily Tildes discussion - banning for bad-faith/trolling behavior in ~tildes.official

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    I think a very good example of the distinction is the user who made a post asking if there were any more Trump supporters on the site. There were some pretty controversial views thrown around in...

    I think a very good example of the distinction is the user who made a post asking if there were any more Trump supporters on the site. There were some pretty controversial views thrown around in that thread, but the OP was willing to engage in the discussion, explain their reasoning, and respond to criticism in a civil way. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty decent for the topic being discussed.

    Now imagine someone posting "I believe anti-Trump people are whiny librulz: change my mind" and then vanishing. It's not a difficult line to draw, I think.

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  11. Comment on Change My Mind: The World will be better without Religion in ~talk

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    I don't think the topic is bad (essentially the societal benefits/disadvantages of religion), I've had quite a few discussions on that very topic over the years. What I find "low-effort" is using...

    makes it sound like you're more upset on the topic itself

    I don't think the topic is bad (essentially the societal benefits/disadvantages of religion), I've had quite a few discussions on that very topic over the years. What I find "low-effort" is using simplistic, ill-informed, stereotypical-high-school-atheist arguments: the Bible says the world is flat, the church rejects evolution, fundamentalism is caused by religion, religion should be destroyed, and so on. The authoritative tone in which his opinions are expressed, coupled with the patent lack of knowledge or interest in actual discussion, are what I personally find off-putting.

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  12. Comment on Change My Mind: The World will be better without Religion in ~talk

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    I don't think the problem is Toad's opinions—or at least I hope that's not it. What I personally dislike to the point where I'm wishing there was a way to filter submissions by user, is that the...

    The moment someone posts something that the majority disagree with they'll question every single thing they do?

    I don't think the problem is Toad's opinions—or at least I hope that's not it. What I personally dislike to the point where I'm wishing there was a way to filter submissions by user, is that the posts are based on misconceptions, oversimplifications, or are completely misinformed, and after they make the post they never bother to participate in the discussion at all. That makes the responses turn into a criticism of the user, instead of an actual discussion. If I had to guess, I'd say bad faith is being argued not because of Toad's opinions, but by their lack of engagement, the blatant misinformation or misrepresentation of facts, and the choice to make only low-effort posts on controversial topics.

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  13. Comment on Disagree button in ~tildes

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    Isn't that good though? How many people disagree with a comment tells us very little, the important point would be to know what arguments those who disagree have.

    Isn't that good though? How many people disagree with a comment tells us very little, the important point would be to know what arguments those who disagree have.

    2 votes
  14. Comment on [Extension] Markdown live preview for Tildes in ~tildes

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    <BLINK>The good ol' days</BLINK>

    <BLINK>The good ol' days</BLINK>

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  15. Comment on [META] I feel like I trolled: an apology in ~tildes

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    Yeah, I don't think we should start this place by shying away from controversial topics, or discussions where people might have a strong opinion, just because the conversation can get heated. As...

    Yeah, I don't think we should start this place by shying away from controversial topics, or discussions where people might have a strong opinion, just because the conversation can get heated. As long as the discussion isn't started to piss people off, and people in the comments remain respectful even in their disagreement, I'd say those discussions are a good thing to have.

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  16. Comment on [META] I feel like I trolled: an apology in ~tildes

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    I don't think that thread would qualify as a troll, since your intention wasn't to rile people up. "Rustling jimmies" also isn't necessarily a bad thing, it can happen unintentionally when...

    I don't think that thread would qualify as a troll, since your intention wasn't to rile people up. "Rustling jimmies" also isn't necessarily a bad thing, it can happen unintentionally when discussing certain topics. And it seems people over there managed to respond in a respectful (if a bit heated) manner, which is always nice to see.

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  17. Comment on "Guy" should be a neutered term. Change my mind. in ~talk

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    I blame Bill Hicks for my use of "y'all". A pluralized "you" makes sense but I think it can be too ambiguous, especially online since you can't actually see if the person is addressing you...

    I blame Bill Hicks for my use of "y'all".

    A pluralized "you" makes sense but I think it can be too ambiguous, especially online since you can't actually see if the person is addressing you directly, or you as a group.

    1 vote
  18. Comment on "Guy" should be a neutered term. Change my mind. in ~talk

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    I feel a bit weird using it because it does have a southern connotation to me, but I figure my English is already an odd mix of American and British words/spellings/slang, so why not? :)

    I feel a bit weird using it because it does have a southern connotation to me, but I figure my English is already an odd mix of American and British words/spellings/slang, so why not? :)

    2 votes
  19. Comment on "Guy" should be a neutered term. Change my mind. in ~talk

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    Not a southerner nor an American, but I have to say I find "y'all" to be incredibly convenient.

    Not a southerner nor an American, but I have to say I find "y'all" to be incredibly convenient.

    3 votes