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  1. Comment on What's something you wish people outside of your field knew/understood? in ~talk

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    Oil. Is. Not. Dead. Dinosaur.

    Oil. Is. Not. Dead. Dinosaur.

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  2. Comment on Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 21 in ~news

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    Something like 5% of the American population are veterans, and while not all of those would be serving in actual combat or have tactical training that's still an inordinately large number of...

    Something like 5% of the American population are veterans, and while not all of those would be serving in actual combat or have tactical training that's still an inordinately large number of people that have served in the military. You are going to have a large amount of them in any big enough group in America.

    5 votes
  3. Comment on Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 18 in ~news

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    How in God's name would a pillow magnate be in possession of evidence of voting machine tampering? What does he think he's accomplishing here? That he'll bluster his way out of litigation? The...

    How in God's name would a pillow magnate be in possession of evidence of voting machine tampering? What does he think he's accomplishing here? That he'll bluster his way out of litigation? The insanity of these people never ceases to amaze me.

    9 votes
  4. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

  5. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

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    Environmentally? Super tankers shipping goods across the ocean are a bonafide environmental disaster. The emissions from something like 15 of them eclipse the emissions from every car on the...

    Is that really all that bad?

    Environmentally? Super tankers shipping goods across the ocean are a bonafide environmental disaster. The emissions from something like 15 of them eclipse the emissions from every car on the planet. So shipping your oil from the Middle East by that method is indeed pretty bad. Nobody seems to pay attention to that though.

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  6. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

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    Yes and no.. There are still a number of tribes opposed to the project but a large number have come around as they are made stakeholders in the project. Biden canceling it will have a very...

    Yes and no..

    There are still a number of tribes opposed to the project but a large number have come around as they are made stakeholders in the project. Biden canceling it will have a very negative impact on these communities.

    7 votes
  7. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

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    Yes. Yes we would. Our oil consumption isn't a result of pipelines. It's a result of our society's reliance on oil. Sure you could argue if we choked out oil flow by clamping down on pipelines we...

    Yes. Yes we would.

    Our oil consumption isn't a result of pipelines. It's a result of our society's reliance on oil.

    Sure you could argue if we choked out oil flow by clamping down on pipelines we could force society to readjust painfully but that's not a realistic option.

    And if that is the case, why can't existing rights of way be used for new pipelines instead of creating big controversies where oil companies try to get the pipeline built on indigenous land?

    I can't really speak to the American side of this because I don't actually fully understand their Indigenous reserve system down there, it's not really like ours.

    In Western Canada, especially the further you go north, you can't realistically build without passing through native land. This is a map of reservations in Alberta, the main oil l producing region in Canada. Every major city has one of more bordering reserves. Every major highway passes through a reservation. There is no existing right of way without snaking across thousands of kilometers.

    These days oil companies in Canada put a lot of resources into Indigenous relations to mitigate this problem. The bigger companies up here have full blown departments dedicated to managing Indigenous engagement. You simply can't do anything up here without contacting Indigenous Canadians. Making local bands or reservations financial stakeholders in the projects has become very popular lately up here.

    And if Keystone XL being built doesn't mean that pipelines like Line5 get decommissioned, isn't it a bit of a moot point?

    Old pipelines do get decommissioned if there is a direct replacement built for them. Keystone to Line5 isn't the best comparison because KXL isn't built to transport the same product as Line5. If we aren't building any new pipelines, at all, then the old ones will never be replaced.

    7 votes
  8. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

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    Modern pipelines also monitor pressure at repeated sections across the span and have shut off ability (often remote and automatic these days but that's especially modern). It's not like of...

    Modern pipelines also monitor pressure at repeated sections across the span and have shut off ability (often remote and automatic these days but that's especially modern).

    It's not like of Keystone ruptures they are just going to let it flow 22 million gallons of oil into the wild, simply from the economic perspective. The pipeline will be shut in at the nearest sections.

    The pipeline that you mentioned, Line5, is a great example as to why we should build new pipelines. Line5 was built in the '50's. I don't know what kind of safety mechanisms they had back then but I'm willing to err on the side of "next to none". When these old pipelines we rely on start going due to age the environmental aspect will be catastrophic.

    Without new pipelines we will just keep relying on the old ones until we finally kick the bucket on fossil fuels. The demand is still there. The oil still has to move from point a to b. Preventing pipelines from being built isn't the answer. We need to focus on eliminating our reliance on the product.

    12 votes
  9. Comment on Biden indicates plans to cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit on first day in office, sources confirm in ~enviro

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    Oilsands production has largely moved away from the open pit mining method to an underground drilling method called SAGD. The famous open pit mines can only exist in a very restricted area because...
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    The problem starts with the type of oil extraction. Namely, tar sands. To get to the oil they have destroyed large areas of boreal forest.

    Oilsands production has largely moved away from the open pit mining method to an underground drilling method called SAGD. The famous open pit mines can only exist in a very restricted area because the rock formation that contains the oilsands only comes close enough to the surface in a small area north of Fort McMurray. Everywhere else must be drilled for on traditional (small) drilling pads.

    While I don't support the mines, and much prefer the SAGD method for it's small footprint and ease of forest recovery, I will say that I find most people that refer to the "destruction of the boreal forest" have never actually been to Fort McMurray. The available area to mine makes up less than 3.4% of the total oilsands area, the rest must be extracted by the far less destructive SAGD. The mines themselves constitute significantly less than that 3.4%. On this map the open pit mines exist in the small area with the block dot labeled Ft. McMurray. While I can't find a figure for the combined footage of each mine, the largest mine is less than 30km² out of 3,000,000 square kilometers of boreal total. The surrounding forest is lush and heavily encroaching on the mines. I have driven the area many times and you drive five hours of dense forest before getting to the mines and re-enter dense forest twenty minutes later. It's not the hellscape that certain sources try to make it out to be.

    Toxic tailings ponds exist in every mining industry, in countries across the planet. The tailings ponds, both inactive and active, are heavily monitored by third party companies and numerous measures are put into place to keep wildlife away from them. These include:

    • Repellers such as holographic images, 3D models, ultrasonic, wailers,
    • Flight diverters such as kites, balloons, effigies of humans and predatory birds,
    • Laser pointers, air cannons, screamers and other audio deterents.

    The ponds (as well as unproductive areas in the mines) are slowly returned to the environment (It takes roughly thirty years unfortunately), including replanting native fauna over top. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on the monitoring and control of the tailings ponds and their surroundings including monitoring tailings compaction, stability measurements, and surrounding fluid flow or lack thereof.

    The best argument against oilsands is the CO2 output. While producers and Alberta do far more than many oil producing regions to restrict environmental effect, the production of bitumen is just too CO2 intensive as we try to meet our Climate Change targets . "Destruction of the boreal forest" and threat to local avians is simply not a significant reality.

    21 votes
  10. Comment on Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 17 in ~news

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    I don't believe Mitch will rush the impeachment. I am of the opinion he is in support now because it will force the Democratic senate to waste the first x-amount of days of Biden's presidency....

    I don't believe Mitch will rush the impeachment. I am of the opinion he is in support now because it will force the Democratic senate to waste the first x-amount of days of Biden's presidency. Mitch may very well drag this out as long as he possibly can.

    13 votes