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  1. Comment on Young people around the world are less religious than their parents in several measures in ~humanities

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    People don't actually get more conservative as they get older. Here's a source on that. What I think happens is people's political opinions become somewhat solidified during their 20s and they...

    People don't actually get more conservative as they get older. Here's a source on that. What I think happens is people's political opinions become somewhat solidified during their 20s and they consistently vote for those ideas afterward. People's behaviors aren't going to change, what's going to change is what's considered progressive or conservative. Everyone is influenced by their circumstances and changing circumstances lead to changing political beliefs.

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  2. Comment on [WARNING - transphobia] Gender critical has been banned - here are some links I’ve collected in ~test

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    I would guess it's people coming over / remembering Tildes exists after a bunch of Reddit subs got banned yesterday.

    I would guess it's people coming over / remembering Tildes exists after a bunch of Reddit subs got banned yesterday.

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  3. Comment on [WARNING - transphobia] Gender critical has been banned - here are some links I’ve collected in ~test

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    I don't think I should even respond to this, but I'm going to anyway. What does being a woman involve that trans women don't have? If you narrow it down to any part of female reproduction, you're...

    I don't think I should even respond to this, but I'm going to anyway. What does being a woman involve that trans women don't have? If you narrow it down to any part of female reproduction, you're excluding cis women who for whatever reason can't menstruate or get pregnant. If you narrow it down to being perceived as a woman by society, you're excluding masculine-presenting women and still including plenty of trans women. And where do trans men fit into this? Do you see them as men or women?

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  4. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    You're right, although that doesn't change my main point.

    You're right, although that doesn't change my main point.

    3 votes
  5. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    Today's actions are nothing against the last decade of inaction. T_D was already dead and the only big non-progressive sub that was banned was r/gendercritical.

    Today's actions are nothing against the last decade of inaction. T_D was already dead and the only big non-progressive sub that was banned was r/gendercritical.

    8 votes
  6. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    I think feeling threatened by some rando posting "kill all white men" is overblown because it almost never happens. I don't think it's in good taste and I'm not opposed to it being removed, but to...

    I think feeling threatened by some rando posting "kill all white men" is overblown because it almost never happens. I don't think it's in good taste and I'm not opposed to it being removed, but to say "kill all white men" and "kill all black people" are equivalent is ignorant at best.

    8 votes
  7. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    Do you have examples of how they're progressive besides the announcement today? Because no progressive would let places rampant with racism, sexism, etc., like r/conservative, r/LGBdroptheT,...

    Do you have examples of how they're progressive besides the announcement today? Because no progressive would let places rampant with racism, sexism, etc., like r/conservative, r/LGBdroptheT, r/kotakuinaction, r/thelastofus2, et al. exist, and those are all still active.

    17 votes
  8. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    Good call, I fixed that. There are more people like that in this thread than I like to see.

    Good call, I fixed that. There are more people like that in this thread than I like to see.

    3 votes
  9. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    Do you seriously think Reddit's ownership is progressive? This is the same big tech firm: that allowed T_D to exist for years after its subscribers killed people (promoting the Unite the Right...

    The cultural dominance that American progressivism now enjoys over big tech firms like Reddit

    Do you seriously think Reddit's ownership is progressive? This is the same big tech firm:

    • that allowed T_D to exist for years after its subscribers killed people (promoting the Unite the Right rally, the guy who killed his dad, etc)
    • that quarantined CTH for cheering on John Brown, a guy who killed slaveholders.. 160 years ago and gave r/FULLCOMMUNISM (iirc) a quarantine message about "the horrors of communism" when every other quarantined subreddit only had an explanation for why it was quarantined
    • allowed subreddits like r/jailbait, r/creepshots, r/beatingwomen, etc, to exist unhindered until those places started getting reported on
    • allowed T_D to game the front page during the 2016 election system by repeatedly stickying and unstickying posts so they always had multiple posts in the top 10 of r/all
    • whose CEO has explicitly said in the past that racism and racial slurs are ok on reddit

    The right-wing communities of reddit have been treated with kid gloves and continue to be, even after the bans today. As for the others, Twitter lets Trump say literally anything he wants, including endorsing white power, encouraging violence against protestors, threatening nuclear war, encouraging violence against governors in his own country, etc. Meanwhile an account that reposted every tweet of his got banned within three days.

    Facebook won't even put some sort of disclaimer on Trump's lies, is sponsoring the RNC this year, Mark Zuckerberg had a secret dinner with Trump last year, allowed all sorts of horrible shit like the TPUSA group sharing racist memes, the CPB group sharing racist and sexist memes, etc.

    Big Tech pays lip service to progressive social causes, but does nothing otherwise. They worship money above all else and only shut down the Alex Joneses and Milos when they start getting bad press about it.

    31 votes
  10. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    BPT was full of racist comments from people who saw threads in r/all and decided to hop in and be racist. They were in there every single thread. The subreddit has been way, way better since they...

    BPT was full of racist comments from people who saw threads in r/all and decided to hop in and be racist. They were in there every single thread. The subreddit has been way, way better since they put in the new system.

    10 votes
  11. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    The difference is that barely anyone who says "kill all cis white men" has attempted to do so, while there's a laundry list of people who say "kill women" or "kill black people" or "kill Jewish...

    The difference is that barely anyone who says "kill all cis white men" has attempted to do so, while there's a laundry list of people who say "kill women" or "kill black people" or "kill Jewish people" who have done so.

    Edit for rephrasing

    11 votes
  12. Comment on Reddit releases their new content policy along with banning hundreds of subreddits, including /r/The_Donald and /r/ChapoTrapHouse in ~tech

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    It feels like some real both sides logic to ban both T_D and CTH, especially since T_D was already dead, but at least some other TERF / hate subs went down too.

    It feels like some real both sides logic to ban both T_D and CTH, especially since T_D was already dead, but at least some other TERF / hate subs went down too.

    16 votes
  13. Comment on Favorite political/protest/in-light-of-recent-events songs? in ~music

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    Contempt Breeds Contamination by Trivium is a song from 2006 about the murder of Amadou Diallo by police. Four plainclothes cops shot him as he was hanging outside the building he lived in, later...

    Contempt Breeds Contamination by Trivium is a song from 2006 about the murder of Amadou Diallo by police. Four plainclothes cops shot him as he was hanging outside the building he lived in, later claiming they thought he was either a serial rapist or a lookout for someone else. They shot at him 41 times. He had no weapons on him, and the officers were acquitted on all charges.

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  14. Comment on The second defeat of Bernie Sanders in ~misc

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    No, the phrase identity politics is used a vast majority of the time to dismiss people advocating for equality, whether because of racism or because they think class is more important. Even if we...

    No, the phrase identity politics is used a vast majority of the time to dismiss people advocating for equality, whether because of racism or because they think class is more important. Even if we agree on policies, by saying class is more important than race or gender identity or sexuality you're ignoring the concerns that those minority groups have. You do that in the comment that I replied to:

    Identity politics are inherently exclusive. If someone does not identify with that particular identity, it will be harder to garner their support. The black community has so many grave concerns, but I've also seen serious sexism and homophobia coming out of that same community. I've seen racism and sexism coming from within the LGBTQ community.

    All most of us are asking for is to be listened to. Placing unification over identity is telling us all lives matter, it tells me that my desire to be treated as compassionately as cishet white people are and tells people of color that their desire to not be killed by cops, segregated, and treated as lesser that we aren't important. Just because people in those groups are sometimes hypocritical doesn't mean their pleas for compassion should be ignored.

    None of those examples would have happened if the people involved were white. Maybe someone still vandalizes LeBron James's house, but it wouldn't be a racial slur. Sterling Brown doesn't have the cops called on him in one of Milwaukee's notoriously racist suburbs. Curiel would have had some other bullshit thrown at him, sure, but probably something less insidious than the history of racism on this continent. Torii Hunter is the victim of regular heckling (which can still be vicious), but not racial slurs. Their wealth had no positive impact on what happened to them.

    At-will employment is a class issue, and employers can and will find ways to fire LGBT people they don't like, but being able to fire someone because they're LGBT is another avenue of keeping us down, and it has absolutely been used. It may not have been cited as often as no reason at all, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it.

    Class consciousness does not fix these issues. Rich people are racist to other rich people. People of all stripes are racist and having a more economically just society isn't going to magically fix it. Poor racist people aren't going to be less racist just because they have more money. We need these advocates for equality.

    Edit to remove a sentence that was confrontational

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  15. Comment on The second defeat of Bernie Sanders in ~misc

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    No one who's out protesting is excluding white people from joining them and every one of them will acknowledge that the police treat white people terribly too. Defund the police isn't "defund the...

    No one who's out protesting is excluding white people from joining them and every one of them will acknowledge that the police treat white people terribly too. Defund the police isn't "defund the police in nonwhite areas", it's defund the police everywhere. Black Lives Matter is called what it is because it was started by black people and all they're saying is "stop killing us and treat us like you treat yourselves". We're elevating their voices right now because they are extremely disproportionately the targets of police brutality.

    Identity politics is a meaningless term used to dismiss people or positions you don't like, and saying class is more important than identity is basically the same as saying all lives matter. My existence as a trans woman is identity politics, is part of a culture war, is secondary to the class struggle. Racism, sexism, and homophobia from minority communities doesn't dismiss the concerns those groups have about being treated equally, lord knows there are plenty of anti-capitalists who completely ignore the perspective of anyone who isn't a white man.

    Class is not more important than identities, or LeBron James wouldn't have had his house vandalized with racial slurs, or Sterling Brown wouldn't have been arrested by seven cops, or Judge Curiel wouldn't have been accused of having sympathy for Latin American immigrants just because he's latino himself. Torii Hunter's $171 million career earnings didn't stop him from experiencing racism from Red Sox fans to the point that he had clause in his contract that said he couldn't be traded to Boston.

    I'm doing alright for myself financially but I could have been fired for being trans until last Monday. The gay/trans panic defense is still legal in forty states, including the one I live in. My paycheck isn't going to help if someone assaults or kills me.

    I'm not gonna tell you there aren't people who dislike white men, since you've experienced it yourself, but saying class is fundamentally more important than identity is ignoring the very real concerns people have about how they're treated because of their appearance. I'm a socialist myself but dropping all sort of advocacy for equal rights for minority groups and enacting socialism isn't going to fix racism or sexism or any sort of discrimination. We need people to advocate for those groups because much like economic change, social change isn't going to happen on its own.

    13 votes
  16. Comment on What are some noteworthy games that aren't available through traditional/common means? in ~games

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    After the End is fantastic, there's so much depth to it. I always enjoy playing as one of the Norse tribes and keeping the pagans safe from Christendom.

    After the End is fantastic, there's so much depth to it. I always enjoy playing as one of the Norse tribes and keeping the pagans safe from Christendom.

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  17. Comment on Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden in ~misc

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    I personally don't consider the Libertarians to be much better than the Republicans, if at all. However much better they are on keeping us out of places we shouldn't be, they're still worse than...

    This was not a discussion about the viability of third party candidates, it was about hypocritically characterizing them as whackos when our two major parties are guilty of much, much worse things, things that have resulted in tremendous loss of human life around the globe.

    I personally don't consider the Libertarians to be much better than the Republicans, if at all. However much better they are on keeping us out of places we shouldn't be, they're still worse than the Democrats on things like the climate and foreign policy; I went to look at their platform and they don't say much on foreign policy besides stopping military interventions and foreign aid. I think the best foreign policy is to use soft power and be open to working with other countries as equals, but the Libertarians don't strike me as the people to want to do that.

    I don't really disagree with your second paragraph; I absolutely think there's more to making the country a better place than voting every four years. I said as much in the comment you replied to. I do think people and the media sometimes pay too much attention to what Trump tweets, although sometimes it's merited. I know there are people who don't care about Yemen, although I see people bring up Obama's drone and surveillance policies as negatives on r/politics, r/news, etc. fairly regularly.

    I'm not being hypocritical by calling third-party candidates whackos because I criticize Biden and Trump plenty. I've been pretty vocal about what I stand for on Tildes I think. And the only reason Libertarians don't have as much blood on their hands as Republicans and Democrats is because they've never had power. Their domestic policies are just as bad as Republicans' and while they're more isolationist than the major parties, their refusal to work with other countries on actually good things would count against them too. I actually think most of the Greens' policies are good, but no Democratic candidate for president has said something as dumb as wi-fi being harmful to kids. It's not much of a leap from that to the 5G causing covid craziness going on.

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  18. Comment on Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden in ~misc

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    A major party candidate has more leeway because the alternative is usually worse. It's not fair, but it's the way things are until we change our electoral system (which I'm in favor of). Biden is...

    A major party candidate has more leeway because the alternative is usually worse. It's not fair, but it's the way things are until we change our electoral system (which I'm in favor of). Biden is prone to saying dumb shit, but I'm not sure any of it is as harmful or dumb as believing that wi-fi is harmful.

    Also, I think a decent amount of the anti-capitalists on Tildes are still voting for Biden, so at least here we're not limiting the range of conversation. I won't speak for anywhere else though.

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  19. Comment on Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden in ~misc

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    I don't think we should be involved in Yemen either, but voting Green or Libertarian isn't going to fix that. I have moral qualms about voting for Biden, same as I did for HRC in 2016 and Obama in...

    I don't think we should be involved in Yemen either, but voting Green or Libertarian isn't going to fix that. I have moral qualms about voting for Biden, same as I did for HRC in 2016 and Obama in 2012. But the alternative is four more years of Donald Trump, which means the Supreme Court is conservative for another generation, LGBT rights will be further eroded, the gap between the haves and the have-nots will continue to grow in the form of tax breaks and defunding of public services, and white supremacists have support from the highest office in the land, among other things.

    If you want third parties to be viable, those parties need to focus on lower-level positions which require fewer resources to be won and our national electoral system needs to be reformed. As long as you can only vote for one person for president and an elector in the Electoral College can only vote for one person, there will never be more than two viable parties long term. If one side split into two, they would lose every election to the other side that's still united. If there were two liberal parties and two conservative parties, whichever side had both parties lose would see one of those parties gain people from the other until they won again and then you're back in the three-party situation again, which goes back to two parties. It's better to get 60% of what you want and have a 50% chance of winning than get 95% of what you want and have a 0% chance of winning.

    You want a parliamentary democracy in which a Prime Minister runs the executive branch and preferably either get rid of single-representative districts entirely or do a mixed-proportional system, because otherwise you still run into the spoiler effect like we saw in the last UK election: the Tories got less than 40% of the vote but a solid majority in Parliament because votes opposing them were often split between Labour, the Lib Dems, and the SNP.

    In all three of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, Jill Stein got more votes than the margin between HRC and Trump. If those people who voted for Stein had voted for HRC instead, she would have won those three states and the election. We wouldn't have a regime that lies about things as meaningless as the crowd size at an inauguration, that has an attorney general that covers up its blatant crimes, that is almost entirely unaccountable due to unconditional backing from the Senate. I guarantee you there would be significantly less than 120,000 people dead from coronavirus right now if Hillary Clinton was president. She wouldn't be talking about a third term or making friends with Xi, Putin, Duterte, and Kim, or encouraging violence against her political opponents.

    The moral of this story is that there will ever only be two viable candidates for president unless our electoral system is changed and you have an obligation to vote for the least bad one. You voting for a third party candidate gives a boost to the viable candidate that you like the least since you could have voted for their viable opponent, and you don't get to complain about what the winning candidate does when they're president because you threw your vote away. If Trump wins in the fall and you voted third party even though you don't like him, that's on you as much as much as it is on people who voted for him. When my rights and the rights of women and people of color are inevitably taken away further, when some report comes out about how the regime has stolen a bunch of that $500 billion of stimulus money that's unaccounted for, when we learn just how much the regime's 4 or 8 or more years of not just inaction but going backwards on fighting climate change has cost us, I hope you realize you make more of a difference by voting for the lesser of two evils than by voting for someone who's better (but still very flawed given recent third-party candidates) and giving that person one percent of the vote.

    If Biden wins, I'm not gonna pretend everything is suddenly better. I want Democrats to have control of the House and Senate and progressive judges in the courts. I want Democrats in control of every governorship and state legislature and mayor's office, and I'm going to hold them accountable. I'm going to push for universal healthcare, zero emissions by 2035, a system of policing and community safety that doesn't result in unaccountable violent officers murdering us, for workers to have equity in the companies they work for, better access to all levels of education for everyone, and everything else that I think would make a better country. I and a lot of people who plan on voting for Biden are never going to tell you that he hasn't done or will not do anything that's morally reprehensible.

    And for @viridian: Don't accuse me of blindly voting Democrat. I know what I'm about. I'm not a libertarian, I never will be, and I would clown on the Democrats' candidate if they didn't know what Aleppo was either. Foreign policy is a huge part of being president and if you don't know something as basic as Aleppo is a city in Syria, which is where one of the big conflicts right now is going on, then you're going to be completely out of your element. For all their faults, HRC and now Biden both have a handle on foreign policy in a way that neither Johnson nor Stein do.

    Saying wi-fi hurts children is more than acting weird, it's harmful almost on the same level as being against vaccinations. In addition, I don't think she was ever a good faith candidate. I saw her take potshots at HRC but none at Trump, and I don't want anyone who's friendly with Vladimir Putin to be president. I'm a socialist, but even if the Green party was viable I would have voted for HRC over Stein in 2016.

    9 votes
  20. Comment on Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden in ~misc

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    That's like having a scientist and a creationist debate global warming. 2016's Libertarian candidate got booed at his own party's debate for suggesting driver's licenses were maybe not a bad...

    That's like having a scientist and a creationist debate global warming. 2016's Libertarian candidate got booed at his own party's debate for suggesting driver's licenses were maybe not a bad thing, 2016's Green party candidate suggested that wi-fi is harmful to children, and the Constitution party are theocrats.

    11 votes