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Why you still don't understand the Green New Deal - Vox Strikethrough

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    dubteedub
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    This is a really neat video that explains a argument device called Tactical Framing. It is basicaally when pundits or journalists discuss the tactics or politics behind a public policy, rather...

    This is a really neat video that explains a argument device called Tactical Framing. It is basicaally when pundits or journalists discuss the tactics or politics behind a public policy, rather than the substance of the polict itself. Basically, who is pushing the bill, why they are doing so, and what politicians think about the proposal, basically asking "is this policy popular / how it will play out in the next election" rather than what is in it.

    I thought it was very interesting when they brought up how tactical framing not only makes us less informed, but also makes citizens more cynical. It seems to me that while the discussions of whether the Green New Deal is promoting a socialism or whatever may help with some near term ratings of the news networks or drive some rage clicks, I think this is also why folks are less trustful of news agencies now more than ever as it only helps drive further partisanship.

    I am definetely noticing this tactical framing argument come up constabtly in the Democratic prinary coverage. It seems like journos are more interested in covering the politics or electability of the different candidates and not what their policy proposals are or what they intend to do once in office.

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    1. The_Fad
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      I think I would agree with your assessment of the current distrust many people have for the media if tactical framing was a recent invention, but it's been around basically forever. In it's most...

      I think I would agree with your assessment of the current distrust many people have for the media if tactical framing was a recent invention, but it's been around basically forever. In it's most basic form it's just a marketing technique. I think the current distrust has more to do with bad actors actively sowing said distrust through targeted manipulation than simply because the populous feels the news agencies aren't focusing on the right aspect of something.

      That being said, this video is certainly informative and I think something many people should watch because, though it's not a new concept, tactical framing is one of those things that seems obvious after learning about it but prior to that you don't notice until it's pointed out.

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    stephen
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    God I fucking hate the mainstream liberal media. Check the way the clips in the video are all of MSNBC and CNN talking about the GND in terms of "look at how scary the GOP's reaction is going to...

    God I fucking hate the mainstream liberal media. Check the way the clips in the video are all of MSNBC and CNN talking about the GND in terms of "look at how scary the GOP's reaction is going to be!" And they always do this! Fox makes covers ISIS and Antifa to make the GOP afraid and then MSNBC covers Fox to make the centrists afraid of the GOP and then there the leftwing media.... !!! Well... there is no left wing media. But, you take my point. Im so excited to read headlines about people not watching MSNBC or CNN anymore.

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      hamstergeddon
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      The country would be a lot better off if all televised news kicked the bucket. Fox and CNN are egregiously guilty of this stuff, but literally all of them do it. They're all businesses first and...

      The country would be a lot better off if all televised news kicked the bucket. Fox and CNN are egregiously guilty of this stuff, but literally all of them do it. They're all businesses first and foremost and this over-the-top half-assed coverage built around riling people up is somehow what brings in viewers. So that's what they keep on doing.

      If you want less-alarmist news coverage, turn to print (or more likely the web version, obviously).

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        stephen
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        Why print? The problem is not the format, it's the business model. A big commercial paper like the Tribune or Sun-Times in Chicago isn't going to be much better. In fact I find its often much...

        turn to print

        Why print? The problem is not the format, it's the business model. A big commercial paper like the Tribune or Sun-Times in Chicago isn't going to be much better. In fact I find its often much worse since they dwell so intensely on national issues but with a less skilled staff.

        I do read lots of news from magazines though. But even then I wonder.

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        1. hamstergeddon
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          ha, I had a proper response typed up about why print doesn't suffer from the same problem, but it's kind of a moot point. It really doesn't suffer from the same problem, but it has its own set of...

          ha, I had a proper response typed up about why print doesn't suffer from the same problem, but it's kind of a moot point. It really doesn't suffer from the same problem, but it has its own set of problems. Specifically online, clickbait is a huge problem. Ads choking out text content is a big problem. Hostile nations are actively manipulating online discussions and even entire articles.

          So yeah I guess it's all shit haha. For me I just found a few sites I trust that pass my BS test, and that's where I get my news. Plus whatever floats in via other sites like tildes and reddit.

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  3. suspended
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    Another tactic that the GOP frequently uses is gaslighting.

    Another tactic that the GOP frequently uses is gaslighting.

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