Because it's a message whose social perception constantly rides the "us vs them" mentality, regardless of its actual intent. Add into that bad actors who stoke those flames for their own...
I really wish I could understand why exactly feminism seems to constantly be used as a boogeyman to drive people to these movements
Because it's a message whose social perception constantly rides the "us vs them" mentality, regardless of its actual intent. Add into that bad actors who stoke those flames for their own manipulative gain, plus a very vocal, small minority that take the ideas of feminism and jam their own rhetoric into them that inevitably makes the entire movement look bad.
Also it's really easy to forget that people are people, with lives and families and histories, which makes it even easier to generalize and focus on the worst extremes while ignoring the vast middle of perfectly acceptable behavior and beliefs.
i don't think they're really comparable, honestly. to grossly simplify, catalonia was a historically independent polity before becoming a part of the crown of castille and even as a part of it was...
I can’t help but draw parallels between the Catalan independence movement, and the crazies in far NorCal wanting to form their own state and separate from Cali.
i don't think they're really comparable, honestly. to grossly simplify, catalonia was a historically independent polity before becoming a part of the crown of castille and even as a part of it was actively rebellious and often supportive of means to which it would be able to become independent from the crown (or at least have influence within it), and that was before the actual secession movement we know today really kicked off in the late 1800s and early 1900s. catalonian culture and and the catalan language are also fairly distinct from castillian spanish culture and peninsular spanish respectively, and there are a whole bunch of things catalonians do that spaniards don't and vice versa. there's really no similar history or cultural distinction of that sort behind any of the american state secessionist movements (arguably, even the one that was successful in forming west virginia).
as a sidenote, the same sort of deal with catalonia is also true of most of the other spanish secessionist movements (of which there are like, eight or something, of varying intensities and sizes)--spain in general is a bit of a mess, culturally and politically, and it really shows if you dig deep enough.
Because it's a message whose social perception constantly rides the "us vs them" mentality, regardless of its actual intent. Add into that bad actors who stoke those flames for their own manipulative gain, plus a very vocal, small minority that take the ideas of feminism and jam their own rhetoric into them that inevitably makes the entire movement look bad.
Also it's really easy to forget that people are people, with lives and families and histories, which makes it even easier to generalize and focus on the worst extremes while ignoring the vast middle of perfectly acceptable behavior and beliefs.
i don't think they're really comparable, honestly. to grossly simplify, catalonia was a historically independent polity before becoming a part of the crown of castille and even as a part of it was actively rebellious and often supportive of means to which it would be able to become independent from the crown (or at least have influence within it), and that was before the actual secession movement we know today really kicked off in the late 1800s and early 1900s. catalonian culture and and the catalan language are also fairly distinct from castillian spanish culture and peninsular spanish respectively, and there are a whole bunch of things catalonians do that spaniards don't and vice versa. there's really no similar history or cultural distinction of that sort behind any of the american state secessionist movements (arguably, even the one that was successful in forming west virginia).
as a sidenote, the same sort of deal with catalonia is also true of most of the other spanish secessionist movements (of which there are like, eight or something, of varying intensities and sizes)--spain in general is a bit of a mess, culturally and politically, and it really shows if you dig deep enough.