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Why soil is disappearing from farms

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      ubergeek
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      This is one thing that super confuses me (Well, it doesn't, but that's another story), at least in the US... Rural areas will be hit far harder than urban areas as far as climate change goes. Yet,...

      This is one thing that super confuses me (Well, it doesn't, but that's another story), at least in the US...

      Rural areas will be hit far harder than urban areas as far as climate change goes. Yet, they elect representatives who keep saying,"There's no problem, trust me!" even though the problem is obvious, and impacts their daily life.

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          ubergeek
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          You basically said they don't actively seek out climate change denying politicians, then said that they do :)

          You basically said they don't actively seek out climate change denying politicians, then said that they do :)

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              ubergeek
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              Well, I can see what you're saying, but I strongly disagree. I mean, the number of farmers who are staunch climate change deniers is astounding, to say the least. They are literally seeing the...

              Well, I can see what you're saying, but I strongly disagree. I mean, the number of farmers who are staunch climate change deniers is astounding, to say the least.

              They are literally seeing the changes, year by year. Season by season.

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                1. ubergeek
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                  https://medium.com/s/story/how-to-talk-to-us-conservatives-about-global-warming-1a484aaf6227 If you're a conservative, you're also likely a climate change denier. Conservatism outpaces any other...

                  I haven't seen any numbers on this topic, so I would love to see some if you have them.

                  https://medium.com/s/story/how-to-talk-to-us-conservatives-about-global-warming-1a484aaf6227

                  If you're a conservative, you're also likely a climate change denier. Conservatism outpaces any other ideology among farmers, by a long shot. If it didn't we wouldn't have large, rural, red area.

                  Again, I don't think many farmers (at least in my area, so I can't speak about the whole) think that nothing is happening.

                  Your area might be an outlier, then.

                  It's just that any changes in policy about climate change would destroy their lifestyle even more than climate change currently is.

                  Destroy it more than have no farm?

                  Also, you must keep in mind that farmers can easily get into a lot of debt by having a bad season

                  No, they can't. Not in the US. We subsidize farmers, so that doesn't happen. "Crop insurance" is a thing, that all US citizens pay for.

                  That is why I was excited about this article, because it gave a way to do something without absolutely destroying the profitability of farming.

                  I don't think anyone has suggested a solution that makes farming unprofitable, except Big Agricultural corporations.

                  In fact, most solutions have farming more profitable, since a big suggestion is to stop using methods that require a farmer to buy fertilizer, or to stop growing crops that must be trucked overland. ie, working with the land, and for the land, rather always battling the land.

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          It's obvious there is a problem. I remember this summer warmer than years past, and I remember warmer winters than years past. I remember we recently just had to start battling flea infestations,...

          It's obvious there is a problem. I remember this summer warmer than years past, and I remember warmer winters than years past. I remember we recently just had to start battling flea infestations, where we never had to before (Cold winters kill them all off).

          There are myriad very obvious effects. And we have the numbers. We all see the numbers. If you don't you're willfully ignorant on the topic.

          The daily impact is now very recognizable. Especially for farmers.

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