I'm all for the support tag, though I haven't personally encountered any egregious comments in that respect. In general I've found that tildes users tend to be good at filtering their responses...
I'm all for the support tag, though I haven't personally encountered any egregious comments in that respect. In general I've found that tildes users tend to be good at filtering their responses based on which group it's in -- much more support in ~lgbt and ~health.mental than in most other groups ime. But I can see the utility if it's indicated clearly what the tag means (something I think would need to be more than just the word "support" as a normal tag imo)
I'm not sure how I feel about the "sensitive" tag though. Tagging a post with NSFW and such makes sense, but a tag that just means "this topic is likely to start an argument" seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than a warning. I can also see it being applied unevenly in the wrong cases -- you could argue the entire ~lgbt topic is controversial depending on who's part of the conversation. I don't really see its utility tbqh, especially since opinions on what "counts" are gonna vary WIDELY.
I think this accurately reflects my current perspective, but it doesn't change my mind. I would need an example of a situation in which you think a tag like this would accomplish something...
I think this accurately reflects my current perspective, but it doesn't change my mind. I would need an example of a situation in which you think a tag like this would accomplish something positive, I think.
I'm not lou, but many of the posts that I comment on tend towards the more contentious. Things like the middle east, economic policy (when it gets politicized), and social issues. I would hope...
I'm not lou, but many of the posts that I comment on tend towards the more contentious. Things like the middle east, economic policy (when it gets politicized), and social issues.
I would hope that folks would see a "contentious" tag as a reminder to be careful on their tone and language, and opt out if they aren't interested in doing so.
But I personally doubt the tags are prominently displayed enough for folks to key off of it.
I just don't see a situation where someone is going to go into a thread on such contentious issues without already knowing it's a contentious issue. So I think best case scenario the tag does...
I just don't see a situation where someone is going to go into a thread on such contentious issues without already knowing it's a contentious issue. So I think best case scenario the tag does nothing, and worst case it attracts conflict.
All depends on how it's presented I suppose. Reminders to follow rules do work in some contexts. But I doubt a tag, as they are currently presented would be sufficient. It would need to trigger a...
All depends on how it's presented I suppose. Reminders to follow rules do work in some contexts. But I doubt a tag, as they are currently presented would be sufficient. It would need to trigger a more obvious reminder.
If anything I would liken it to talking with someone you just met at the airport, or in any other public setting. You shouldn't need a reminder to be civil in a public space, even if presented with a topic you have strong feelings about. We are expected to manage ourself and leave if needed. I don't see online as much different. But, here we are.
...I mean, the very fact that you don't think you can do that here only argues my point for me. Surely the context of this discussion is far more effective as a "hey, please think before you start...
...I mean, the very fact that you don't think you can do that here only argues my point for me. Surely the context of this discussion is far more effective as a "hey, please think before you start an argument" warning than a "sensitive" tag would be, and you still fear that even mentioning an example of a controversial discussion would invite arguments within this thread.
That seems more like a situation wherein Deimos should lock the thread, then. Unless it's only to mark the potential for such discussions, in which case I think at best it's pointing out the...
That seems more like a situation wherein Deimos should lock the thread, then. Unless it's only to mark the potential for such discussions, in which case I think at best it's pointing out the obvious. No one is going to see a thread on, say, Israel/Palestine and be unaware it's a sensitive topic. Nor am I particularly convinced seeing such a tag would change their choices when commenting (or not).
I think it’s more that … how on earth are other people supposed to usefully intuit what you and every other person would find sensitive? How am I supposed to practically engage with this tag, if...
I think it’s more that … how on earth are other people supposed to usefully intuit what you and every other person would find sensitive? How am I supposed to practically engage with this tag, if you can’t even describe what it means? And that’s within the context of a discussion about the tag. How is this going to be useful and comprehensible for people who haven’t even seen this conversation?
Personally for me, it would be a bigger flag to just not open the post to begin with. There's a post right now about racial realignment between the American political parties that I opened because...
Personally for me, it would be a bigger flag to just not open the post to begin with.
There's a post right now about racial realignment between the American political parties that I opened because I was curious, but ended up in threads about gun control. And then I just have to give my opinion, even though I'd really rather avoid it entirely.
Had I had the foresight to know it would be a more contentious thread, I would have skipped it altogether.
I'm not even really sure how a tag like this would solve that, tbh, unless the tagging system were wildly reworked to apply to individual threads or comments. Either all American political topics...
I'm not even really sure how a tag like this would solve that, tbh, unless the tagging system were wildly reworked to apply to individual threads or comments. Either all American political topics would be marked controversial, in which case you'd ignore it to click on an interesting post, or this post wouldn't be because the overarching topic isn't controversial in the way the thread you found was. I don't think it's feasible for mods to mark a whole topic as controversial because people are having a debate on a tangentially related issue in the comments -- it's just not practically doable even at our current size imo.
For the most part they're pretty good about it, but they're also human and I've had to remove tags from my posts that were inaccurate a handful of times, so it could also go the other way.
So if someone decides to overuse a tag, there's a good chance that mods will remove it.
For the most part they're pretty good about it, but they're also human and I've had to remove tags from my posts that were inaccurate a handful of times, so it could also go the other way.
So you're saying I shouldn't have used "ohthehumanatee" as a tag on my manatee rescue post? Looks like the mods fixed it and added a bunch of good descriptor tags as well. 🙂
So you're saying I shouldn't have used "ohthehumanatee" as a tag on my manatee rescue post?
Looks like the mods fixed it and added a bunch of good descriptor tags as well. 🙂
I strongly support the 'support' tag. I think it would add to the Tildes experience. Edit; @lou, I think the support tag, possibly evolving into groups life.support or talk.support would be a good...
I strongly support the 'support' tag. I think it would add to the Tildes experience.
Edit; @lou, I think the support tag, possibly evolving into groups life.support or talk.support would be a good way to signal that counseling and or encouragement is what is wanted rather than discussion. There are a number of reddit groups that focus on support and I used to participate.
I wonder whether it would be possible to get some statistics on which topics lead to locked threads. I suspect my assumptions would be close to accurate, but I don't know for sure. Also I'm...
I wonder whether it would be possible to get some statistics on which topics lead to locked threads.
I suspect my assumptions would be close to accurate, but I don't know for sure. Also I'm american so a majority group member on this website.
We only just recently started testing #downer for more depressing sort of news, but I could see that #sensitive could be more effective and understanding for something along these lines and open...
We only just recently started testing #downer for more depressing sort of news, but I could see that #sensitive could be more effective and understanding for something along these lines and open it up a bit more.
I have no real input for #support as I tend to prefer the more logical(?) approach to those kind of discussions (especially in text form) than the emotional. But I suppose it could be effective.
Considering the sites rules. I don't think either tags contribute anything of value. It is expected of us to be reasonable. Adding significance 'here' will just remove it from 'there'. I prefer...
Considering the sites rules. I don't think either tags contribute anything of value.
It is expected of us to be reasonable. Adding significance 'here' will just remove it from 'there'.
I prefer site wide rules, it should not be up to OP to pick-and-choose what sort of comments are allowed. (They shouldn't have to)
Tildes has one major rule; Don't be an ass.
And I can't imagine any situation where that doesn't cover our bases if enforced properly.
I can see a use for a tag (possibly later a group) ask.support, much like we have ask.survey and ask.discussion. We already have a repeating thread for mutual support in ~health.mental I used to...
I can see a use for a tag (possibly later a group) ask.support, much like we have ask.survey and ask.discussion.
We already have a repeating thread for mutual support in ~health.mental
I used to contribute to subreddits such as askwomenover30 where people went looking for personal advice. It was understood that they weren't looking for debate or intellectual discussion,
Maybe instead of #sensitive, we just paint a color on #trigger or #tw.* ? This feels kind of like a revisit of that issue, the gravitational well of a topic under a topic where all the discourse...
Maybe instead of #sensitive, we just paint a color on #trigger or #tw.* ? This feels kind of like a revisit of that issue, the gravitational well of a topic under a topic where all the discourse happens. Apologies if this turns into one of those.
I'm all for the support tag, though I haven't personally encountered any egregious comments in that respect. In general I've found that tildes users tend to be good at filtering their responses based on which group it's in -- much more support in ~lgbt and ~health.mental than in most other groups ime. But I can see the utility if it's indicated clearly what the tag means (something I think would need to be more than just the word "support" as a normal tag imo)
I'm not sure how I feel about the "sensitive" tag though. Tagging a post with NSFW and such makes sense, but a tag that just means "this topic is likely to start an argument" seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than a warning. I can also see it being applied unevenly in the wrong cases -- you could argue the entire ~lgbt topic is controversial depending on who's part of the conversation. I don't really see its utility tbqh, especially since opinions on what "counts" are gonna vary WIDELY.
Okay but like... what's the legitimate use case for this tag that isn't basically inviting hostility in the resulting topic?
I think this accurately reflects my current perspective, but it doesn't change my mind. I would need an example of a situation in which you think a tag like this would accomplish something positive, I think.
I'm not lou, but many of the posts that I comment on tend towards the more contentious. Things like the middle east, economic policy (when it gets politicized), and social issues.
I would hope that folks would see a "contentious" tag as a reminder to be careful on their tone and language, and opt out if they aren't interested in doing so.
But I personally doubt the tags are prominently displayed enough for folks to key off of it.
I just don't see a situation where someone is going to go into a thread on such contentious issues without already knowing it's a contentious issue. So I think best case scenario the tag does nothing, and worst case it attracts conflict.
All depends on how it's presented I suppose. Reminders to follow rules do work in some contexts. But I doubt a tag, as they are currently presented would be sufficient. It would need to trigger a more obvious reminder.
If anything I would liken it to talking with someone you just met at the airport, or in any other public setting. You shouldn't need a reminder to be civil in a public space, even if presented with a topic you have strong feelings about. We are expected to manage ourself and leave if needed. I don't see online as much different. But, here we are.
Have a good night!
...I mean, the very fact that you don't think you can do that here only argues my point for me. Surely the context of this discussion is far more effective as a "hey, please think before you start an argument" warning than a "sensitive" tag would be, and you still fear that even mentioning an example of a controversial discussion would invite arguments within this thread.
That seems more like a situation wherein Deimos should lock the thread, then. Unless it's only to mark the potential for such discussions, in which case I think at best it's pointing out the obvious. No one is going to see a thread on, say, Israel/Palestine and be unaware it's a sensitive topic. Nor am I particularly convinced seeing such a tag would change their choices when commenting (or not).
I think it’s more that … how on earth are other people supposed to usefully intuit what you and every other person would find sensitive? How am I supposed to practically engage with this tag, if you can’t even describe what it means? And that’s within the context of a discussion about the tag. How is this going to be useful and comprehensible for people who haven’t even seen this conversation?
Personally for me, it would be a bigger flag to just not open the post to begin with.
There's a post right now about racial realignment between the American political parties that I opened because I was curious, but ended up in threads about gun control. And then I just have to give my opinion, even though I'd really rather avoid it entirely.
Had I had the foresight to know it would be a more contentious thread, I would have skipped it altogether.
Should have clarified, I consider it a positive as well.
I'm not even really sure how a tag like this would solve that, tbh, unless the tagging system were wildly reworked to apply to individual threads or comments. Either all American political topics would be marked controversial, in which case you'd ignore it to click on an interesting post, or this post wouldn't be because the overarching topic isn't controversial in the way the thread you found was. I don't think it's feasible for mods to mark a whole topic as controversial because people are having a debate on a tangentially related issue in the comments -- it's just not practically doable even at our current size imo.
For the most part they're pretty good about it, but they're also human and I've had to remove tags from my posts that were inaccurate a handful of times, so it could also go the other way.
So you're saying I shouldn't have used "ohthehumanatee" as a tag on my manatee rescue post?
Looks like the mods fixed it and added a bunch of good descriptor tags as well. 🙂
Lol I once finished my tags with something like "I know im going to get all these tags wrong so im not even going to try."
I generally try to include a few tags, but sometimes I don't have a clue
I strongly support the 'support' tag. I think it would add to the Tildes experience.
Edit; @lou, I think the support tag, possibly evolving into groups life.support or talk.support would be a good way to signal that counseling and or encouragement is what is wanted rather than discussion. There are a number of reddit groups that focus on support and I used to participate.
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I wonder whether it would be possible to get some statistics on which topics lead to locked threads.
I suspect my assumptions would be close to accurate, but I don't know for sure. Also I'm american so a majority group member on this website.
Ok. However, ask.support as a tag seems comparable to ask.survey, ask.advice etc and useable across groups
We only just recently started testing #downer for more depressing sort of news, but I could see that #sensitive could be more effective and understanding for something along these lines and open it up a bit more.
I have no real input for #support as I tend to prefer the more logical(?) approach to those kind of discussions (especially in text form) than the emotional. But I suppose it could be effective.
Considering the sites rules. I don't think either tags contribute anything of value.
It is expected of us to be reasonable. Adding significance 'here' will just remove it from 'there'.
I prefer site wide rules, it should not be up to OP to pick-and-choose what sort of comments are allowed. (They shouldn't have to)
Tildes has one major rule; Don't be an ass.
And I can't imagine any situation where that doesn't cover our bases if enforced properly.
I can see a use for a tag (possibly later a group) ask.support, much like we have ask.survey and ask.discussion.
We already have a repeating thread for mutual support in ~health.mental
I used to contribute to subreddits such as askwomenover30 where people went looking for personal advice. It was understood that they weren't looking for debate or intellectual discussion,
Maybe instead of #sensitive, we just paint a color on #trigger or #tw.* ? This feels kind of like a revisit of that issue, the gravitational well of a topic under a topic where all the discourse happens. Apologies if this turns into one of those.