20 votes

USB4 will support Thunderbolt and double the speed of USB 3.2

10 comments

  1. [5]
    cptcobalt Link
    Perfect. Literally perfect. Now, they have the hard job of not screwing it up. This needs to work easily with USB-C (I'm okay with purging all my cables, but I should not have to replace existing...

    USB4 will be integrating this tech and thus effectively becoming the "new" Thunderbolt 3. In other words, USB4 will pretty much be the mother of all wired connectivity options, and will be ready for more powerful PCIe plus DisplayPort devices.

    Perfect. Literally perfect. Now, they have the hard job of not screwing it up. This needs to work easily with USB-C (I'm okay with purging all my cables, but I should not have to replace existing hardware), with cheap controller hardware, without any bullshit, and do absolutely everything to avoid anti-consumer decisions. Just give me one USB 4 spec, with one connector, and one way for it to work that's easy enough for me to explain to my parents, thank you.

    11 votes
    1. [4]
      emdash Link Parent
      What, you don't think the name "USB 3.2 Gen 2×2" is consumer friendly enough? Hell, I'm a developer and I've given up attempting to understand what specifications & ports of USB align with the...

      What, you don't think the name "USB 3.2 Gen 2×2" is consumer friendly enough?

      Hell, I'm a developer and I've given up attempting to understand what specifications & ports of USB align with the correct implementations. But it doesn't really matter—because 3 years after the release of the Type-C fettered MacBookPro, there still isn't a single dock that takes 1 USB-3 in, and 2-4 USB-3 PD out with full-speed connectivity at 60/100W charging.

      8 votes
      1. [3]
        cptcobalt Link Parent
        You're right, it is extremely sad that something like a simple dock doesn't exist yet. At risk of sounding uneducated, I feel like quality of life things like docks or splitting ports should have...

        You're right, it is extremely sad that something like a simple dock doesn't exist yet. At risk of sounding uneducated, I feel like quality of life things like docks or splitting ports should have been more carefully considered, as well basic investments in the ecosystem should have been made for these to be available at day one of release. I hate that the only good USB-C/TB3 dock I have was the product of a kickstarter project that came out months after my computer did.

        What, you don't think the name "USB 3.2 Gen 2×2" is consumer friendly enough?

        It's like Intel was deeply inspired by Tetsuya Nomura, the infamous game director behind the Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy series, which feature simple and clean game titles like:

        • Final Fantasy XIII-2
        • Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
        • Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue

        The whole point of having a standard is that the standards body should consider accessibility for everyone and for everything: ease of engineering implementation, necessary spec bumps, consumer friendliness, etc. The current USB-3/USB-C/TB3 ecosystem is a huge anti-consumer mess. We need some sort of reset button, and hopefully USB4 is a good enough fix for all.

        7 votes
        1. [2]
          spctrvl Link Parent
          What dock is that?

          I hate that the only good USB-C/TB3 dock I have was the product of a kickstarter project that came out months after my computer did.

          What dock is that?

          1. cptcobalt Link Parent
            It's the HyperDrive. This thing has worked flawlessly for me, and has a permanent home in my work bag. However, if I were to buy another one today, I'd get the HyperDrive NET, which has a Gigabit...

            It's the HyperDrive. This thing has worked flawlessly for me, and has a permanent home in my work bag. However, if I were to buy another one today, I'd get the HyperDrive NET, which has a Gigabit ethernet port.

            1 vote
  2. [4]
    Silbern Link
    If this is backwards compatible with USB2, I can't wait to try hooking up my old ass ThinkPad to an external GPU of some kind...

    If this is backwards compatible with USB2, I can't wait to try hooking up my old ass ThinkPad to an external GPU of some kind...

    1. meghan Link Parent
      the full bandwith wont be available unless both devices are usb4. though you should be able to plug a usb2 device into a usb4 port no problem, albeit at usb2 speeds

      the full bandwith wont be available unless both devices are usb4. though you should be able to plug a usb2 device into a usb4 port no problem, albeit at usb2 speeds

      3 votes
    2. [2]
      spctrvl Link Parent
      It'd be running at the speed of the host controller, and at USB2, you'd be working with less than half the bandwidth of the original 1992 PCI standard.

      It'd be running at the speed of the host controller, and at USB2, you'd be working with less than half the bandwidth of the original 1992 PCI standard.

      1 vote
      1. Silbern Link Parent
        Niiiice. Nothing says graphics like half of the original PCI! 😂

        Niiiice. Nothing says graphics like half of the original PCI! 😂

        1 vote
  3. dblohm7 Link
    I can't wait until they come up with the naming scheme for this one. /s

    I can't wait until they come up with the naming scheme for this one. /s