Comment box Scope: comment response, opinion Tone: snide Opinion: yes Sarcasm/humor: none Culture war grandstanding. TACO. The federal admin will back down just like they did in New York, lie or...
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Scope: comment response, opinion
Tone: snide
Opinion: yes
Sarcasm/humor: none
Culture war grandstanding. TACO. The federal admin will back down just like they did in New York, lie or exaggerate about having won a negotiation, the base will cheer (or, more likely, not notice), and the media will move on.
This wind farm is a great project that I have been following since construction began. The worst-case scenario is that the company cannot connect the project to the grid until 2029. Unfortunate, but whatever. The rest of the world is still electrifying. US electricity bills will just be higher than they need to be.
Here's how you know this manufactured opposition won't last:
The administration’s subsequent consideration of rules to further restrict access to tax credits for wind and solar projects alarmed even some Republicans, prompting Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and Utah Sen. John Curtis to place holds on Treasury nominees as they awaited the department’s formal guidance.
Clean energy is an economic benefit. Despite the pressure of the culture war, GOP politicians know that it benefits their constituents and are already having doubts about this maniacal fossil fuel obsession. The moment the media consensus declares the next American recession, you can be sure that they will be building wind and solar farms at a pace never before seen, because they'll ease up and let developers build anything: the most cost-effective energy system will be green.
This is the 2nd such major offshore wind project, of 5 that are currently in development. It is 80% complete. The first one (Empire Wind) was stopped back in April, but apparently, it's now back...
This is the 2nd such major offshore wind project, of 5 that are currently in development. It is 80% complete. The first one (Empire Wind) was stopped back in April, but apparently, it's now back on, after a lot of negotiations with the Trump Admin.
This one (Revolution Wind) is located off the coast of Rhode Island ... and also ... entirely in international waters. Which brings up an interesting idea. Probably untenable, so let's just call it a thought experiment.
Presumably, the stop-work order can only really apply to the "connecting it to RI" part of the project. So ... hypothetically -- asking Tildes users with more knowledge on the subject -- would it be A) technically possible at all, and then B) practically feasible ... for this (Danish) company to just finish the wind farm, and then lay a couple hundred miles of submarine high-power line to Canada, and sell the energy to them?
I don’t think it’s in international waters? The article says it’s only 15 miles off the coast, which is well within the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone. Also there’s no way in hell this...
Yeah, agreed ... it's not in international waters -- something in the article made me think it was. So, practically speaking, it's a moot point. But technically? Just wondering ... these projects...
Yeah, agreed ... it's not in international waters -- something in the article made me think it was.
So, practically speaking, it's a moot point.
But technically? Just wondering ... these projects are fundamentally designed to include a few dozen miles of buried submarine high-power lines to get the energy from the farm to the shores.
Is there any fundamental limit on range here? Could they lay 300 mi up along the coast to Canada?
There is a range limit on the distances for high voltage AC cables but I'm not sure on the hard limits for it. If you needed to use DC that would additionally require the installation of...
There is a range limit on the distances for high voltage AC cables but I'm not sure on the hard limits for it. If you needed to use DC that would additionally require the installation of transformers at both ends but either way the costs of these cables end up around £1.1mil ($1.4m) per km. Citation is for the North Sea but I don't imagine it's much cheaper in the US.
IDK enough about the legalities of this, but I assume this is something the Feds would have to sign off on. The states don't get to unilaterally decide what happens in US coastal waters, just...
IDK enough about the legalities of this, but I assume this is something the Feds would have to sign off on. The states don't get to unilaterally decide what happens in US coastal waters, just because it's near their coast ... otherwise, that first wind farm might have already started exploring that option.
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Culture war grandstanding. TACO. The federal admin will back down just like they did in New York, lie or exaggerate about having won a negotiation, the base will cheer (or, more likely, not notice), and the media will move on.
This wind farm is a great project that I have been following since construction began. The worst-case scenario is that the company cannot connect the project to the grid until 2029. Unfortunate, but whatever. The rest of the world is still electrifying. US electricity bills will just be higher than they need to be.
Here's how you know this manufactured opposition won't last:
Clean energy is an economic benefit. Despite the pressure of the culture war, GOP politicians know that it benefits their constituents and are already having doubts about this maniacal fossil fuel obsession. The moment the media consensus declares the next American recession, you can be sure that they will be building wind and solar farms at a pace never before seen, because they'll ease up and let developers build anything: the most cost-effective energy system will be green.
This is the 2nd such major offshore wind project, of 5 that are currently in development. It is 80% complete. The first one (Empire Wind) was stopped back in April, but apparently, it's now back on, after a lot of negotiations with the Trump Admin.
This one (Revolution Wind) is located off the coast of Rhode Island ... and also ... entirely in international waters. Which brings up an interesting idea. Probably untenable, so let's just call it a thought experiment.
Presumably, the stop-work order can only really apply to the "connecting it to RI" part of the project. So ... hypothetically -- asking Tildes users with more knowledge on the subject -- would it be A) technically possible at all, and then B) practically feasible ... for this (Danish) company to just finish the wind farm, and then lay a couple hundred miles of submarine high-power line to Canada, and sell the energy to them?
I don’t think it’s in international waters? The article says it’s only 15 miles off the coast, which is well within the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone.
Also there’s no way in hell this Supreme Court would side with a state trying to bypass the federal government in dealing with other countries.
Though that’s all treating this as if it’s a legitimate use of federal power and not a blatantly corrupt abuse.
Yeah, agreed ... it's not in international waters -- something in the article made me think it was.
So, practically speaking, it's a moot point.
But technically? Just wondering ... these projects are fundamentally designed to include a few dozen miles of buried submarine high-power lines to get the energy from the farm to the shores.
Is there any fundamental limit on range here? Could they lay 300 mi up along the coast to Canada?
There is a range limit on the distances for high voltage AC cables but I'm not sure on the hard limits for it. If you needed to use DC that would additionally require the installation of transformers at both ends but either way the costs of these cables end up around £1.1mil ($1.4m) per km. Citation is for the North Sea but I don't imagine it's much cheaper in the US.
Or, conceivably, negotiate with Mass or Connecticut to hook up instead, without any federal involvement?
IDK enough about the legalities of this, but I assume this is something the Feds would have to sign off on. The states don't get to unilaterally decide what happens in US coastal waters, just because it's near their coast ... otherwise, that first wind farm might have already started exploring that option.