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'Flying shame' has spread across Europe - are Australians feeling it too?

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    Octofox
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    Australian here. It really is terrible how much emissions flying puts out. Just really sucks how I can't go anywhere without flying or a very very long car drive. Honestly I might make the one...

    Australian here. It really is terrible how much emissions flying puts out. Just really sucks how I can't go anywhere without flying or a very very long car drive. Honestly I might make the one time flight to somewhere in Europe and enjoy being able to travel by rail.

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      unknown user
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      I really don't understand why there hasn't been a bigger push to improve the carbon emissions of the aviation industry, especially since marked reductions are completely achievable. Countries &...

      I really don't understand why there hasn't been a bigger push to improve the carbon emissions of the aviation industry, especially since marked reductions are completely achievable.

      Countries & companies should be seriously funding the development of an all-electric turboprop plane that can make short 30 minute to 1 hour domestic flights. This would be great in locations like Norway & New Zealand where travel distances are short, and the impact would be large.

      Furthermore, we've had years upon years of one-off tests of biofuels powering jet aircraft; but it's time to start taking this mainstream. Even if we transition to only 10-20% of aviation fuel being synthetically generated, this would be a large improvement.

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      1. poopfeast6969
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        Avgas (the standard aviation industry fuel) is so old it's actually still leaded. But batteries are an order of magnitude less energy dense than avgas unfortunately. The efficiency loss would be...

        Avgas (the standard aviation industry fuel) is so old it's actually still leaded.

        But batteries are an order of magnitude less energy dense than avgas unfortunately. The efficiency loss would be hugely unprofitable.
        I've seen studies even about the challenges of switching to something mildly less polluting. Like LNG, which actually performs better than Avgas. But the cost of the infrastructure changes are insurmountable for profit oriented businesses.

        There is a LOT of money put into how to make planes more efficient, but not necessarily less polluting.

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      joelthelion
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      I wonder if someone will come up with a zero-emissions long distance traveling service, maybe sailboats. It would take much longer, but if you don't travel as much and stay longer, I think it...

      I wonder if someone will come up with a zero-emissions long distance traveling service, maybe sailboats. It would take much longer, but if you don't travel as much and stay longer, I think it could be acceptable. With remote work being more and more common, you could even work while traveling. Pretty cool :)

      1. Greg
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        If you have the time, it's possible to travel as a passenger on most container ship routes - since they were travelling that way with cargo anyway, your incremental emissions are zero. That logic...

        If you have the time, it's possible to travel as a passenger on most container ship routes - since they were travelling that way with cargo anyway, your incremental emissions are zero. That logic doesn't scale, I know, but it's an interesting individual option for the immediate term.

        Trying to work while you're out there is probably optimistic unless you can do so without communication or you're willing to pay an awful lot for satellite connectivity, though. I quite enjoyed the solitude, and I'd love to take more trips by ship, but it's tough to add that time on top of any stay at the destination when the work is piling up.

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