I am going to shamelessly bump this topic with a question to all the diligent users here on Tildes. I cannot find reference to this document on the web, outside of the hosting site. While it does...
I am going to shamelessly bump this topic with a question to all the diligent users here on Tildes.
I cannot find reference to this document on the web, outside of the hosting site. While it does fall inline with my world view, I find it a bit shocking that I can't find any reference to "AQ-9".
Help me out here please. Is this document authentic?
I’m on mobile so can’t do a super deep dive right now, but there does appear to be some credible refences to the American Petroleum Institute AQ-9 Task Force online: e.g. in this mass.gov court...
I’m on mobile so can’t do a super deep dive right now, but there does appear to be some credible refences to the American Petroleum Institute AQ-9 Task Force online: e.g. in this mass.gov court case filing [PDF] from Exxon v. The NY and MA AGs.
Additionally, Exxon made statements in 1980 at an American Petroleum Institute AQ-9 Task Force meeting that demonstrated its knowledge of the fact that as fossil fuels continue to be burned, a "global average 2.5 C rise [is] expected by 2038,' which would cause "major economic consequences.” 32
Whether these particular leaked documents are genuine or not would likely be impossible to definitively determine, at least by me, though.
P.s. If you want to look more into it yourself, this is the search terms I used:
Thank you very much for the reply and the google-fu. Edit: @cfabbro Do you accept the conclusions in that document? If so, how are you personally dealing with this information?
Thank you very much for the reply and the google-fu.
Edit: @cfabbro Do you accept the conclusions in that document? If so, how are you personally dealing with this information?
It doesn't surprise me the petroleum industry knew about this stuff even way back in the 80s, and as for the conclusions in it, I actually think we're pretty much past the tipping point already,...
It doesn't surprise me the petroleum industry knew about this stuff even way back in the 80s, and as for the conclusions in it, I actually think we're pretty much past the tipping point already, and unless we start sequestering carbon in vast quantities ASAP, either via artificial means or by planting insane amounts of trees, we're fucked. Not species ending fucked, but it's certainly going to be ugly, especially in the developing world.
This is the report of which you may have heard that the American Petroleum Institute commissioned in 1980. The conclusions are stark: I had heard about this report, but never read it myself. credit
This is the report of which you may have heard that the American Petroleum Institute commissioned in 1980. The conclusions are stark:
LIKELY IMPACTS
1C RISE (2005) : BARELY NOTICEABLE
2.5C RISE (2038) : MAJOR ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES, STRONG REGIONAL DEPENDENCE
5C RISE (2067) : GLOBALLY CATASTROPHIC EFFECTS
I had heard about this report, but never read it myself.
I am going to shamelessly bump this topic with a question to all the diligent users here on Tildes.
I cannot find reference to this document on the web, outside of the hosting site. While it does fall inline with my world view, I find it a bit shocking that I can't find any reference to "AQ-9".
Help me out here please. Is this document authentic?
I’m on mobile so can’t do a super deep dive right now, but there does appear to be some credible refences to the American Petroleum Institute AQ-9 Task Force online: e.g. in this mass.gov court case filing [PDF] from Exxon v. The NY and MA AGs.
Whether these particular leaked documents are genuine or not would likely be impossible to definitively determine, at least by me, though.
P.s. If you want to look more into it yourself, this is the search terms I used:
Thank you very much for the reply and the google-fu.
Edit: @cfabbro Do you accept the conclusions in that document? If so, how are you personally dealing with this information?
It doesn't surprise me the petroleum industry knew about this stuff even way back in the 80s, and as for the conclusions in it, I actually think we're pretty much past the tipping point already, and unless we start sequestering carbon in vast quantities ASAP, either via artificial means or by planting insane amounts of trees, we're fucked. Not species ending fucked, but it's certainly going to be ugly, especially in the developing world.
@Neverland How did get this file?
via this HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20306396
This is the report of which you may have heard that the American Petroleum Institute commissioned in 1980. The conclusions are stark:
I had heard about this report, but never read it myself.
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