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Flygskam – Is Sweden's no-fly movement just media hype?

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    Nmg
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    It might be reasonable for trips less than 1000 miles, like many in Europe. Even in the US, if we could built HSR between neighboring cities, that would be a big step. Examples could include...

    It might be reasonable for trips less than 1000 miles, like many in Europe.

    Even in the US, if we could built HSR between neighboring cities, that would be a big step. Examples could include improving the Northeast Acela line, getting California's System done, Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, etc.

    Not flying long distances, I am sorry to say, is not something you can convince people to do. Heck, I am as environmentally concious as they get, and even I don't see myself taking a train 12 full days out of the year just to see my family twice annually. Not eating meat, using Transit/Bike commuting, living in a small apartment powered by renewables, and working towards zero waste is easier for me. Rail can fill the gaps and optimize air travel towards long distance, but planes will be here for a long time (and they can use more efficient fuel too).

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      No, I wouldn't either! Living so far from family seems more common in the US than over here in Europe, though. Is it a regular thing? Here, countries/language zones are simply not that big. Me and...

      I don't see myself taking a train 12 full days out of the year just to see my family twice annually

      No, I wouldn't either! Living so far from family seems more common in the US than over here in Europe, though. Is it a regular thing?

      Here, countries/language zones are simply not that big. Me and my partner live almost half my country away from our parents, but that's 1 or 2 hours by either car or public transport :-P.

      But I certainly to feel something like 'Flygskam'. I find myself staying closer to home for holidays so that I do not need to fly. And I hope to attend an academic conference somewhere in the near future, but I'd want to pick one that I can reach by car or train.

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        I am doing a PhD in San Diego while I grew up in the Washington DC Metro region. 5.5 hours by plane. Let's say 9 or even 10 hours counting waiting and transit to and from airport. Compare that to...

        I am doing a PhD in San Diego while I grew up in the Washington DC Metro region. 5.5 hours by plane. Let's say 9 or even 10 hours counting waiting and transit to and from airport. Compare that to 73 hours via trains, a 7-8 fold difference. It's simply not comparable.

        My other option was to do my PhD in NYC, which is a simple 4 hour bus ride away, but the program in San Diego is better for me.

        I think the European analogue of my situation would be traveling from Kazakhstan to England.

        Yet unlike Europe, California is the same country, with the same language and a similar culture to the one I grew up with.

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