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What are your favourite historic anecdotes or stories?

Inspired by @Fiachra's question in this post, I wanted to asked the broader tildes community: What are some of your favourite historic anecdotes or stories? The original question is more narrow, but I'm honestly curious to hear any fun or intriguing ones from any period of history.

Re-posting what I responded there:
OH man, time to share my favourite example of how one person being an asshole changed history: Shah Muhammad II of Khwarazm. The Khwarazmian Empire was roughly the Persian/Iranian Empire from 1077–1231. A massive, rich, culturally leading Empire at the centre of the Silk Road.

Genghis Khan, seeking to increase trade in preparation for his invasion of China, sent envoys to Khwarazm to ask to open trade. The Shah, in his supreme arrogance, decided these smelly Mongols insulted him by their very presence, and had them executed. Genghis, who very famously established the Imperial Mongol tradition of absolute protection for envoys, was furious. And yet, focused on his goal, he sent a SECOND group of envoys to demand an explanation and try to smooth things over. And the Shah executed them too. This pissed Genghis and his leadership off so much they paused the invasion of China, and launched a punitive expedition to conquer Persia/Khwarazm. I want to stress again that the records we have make it clear that the Mongols at this point had no interest in going further West. They were very focused on achieving victory over their arch-nemeses in China.

Within two years the entire Empire had fallen, the Shah was dead, and its fabulously rich cities torched and massacred. Following this, the Mongols realized they could continue to press on and ended up invading the rest of the Islamic world, famously including the destruction of Baghdad, the world's finest city of learning and culture at that point. The fall of Baghdad is widely considered to be the end of the Islamic Golden Age. Estimates of deaths in the Islamic World vary widely, but it is undeniable that many of the most populous and prosperous cities from the Mediterranean to the Caspian Sea were totally destroyed and depopulated. All because one jackass decided he couldn't be bothered to take some smelly Mongols seriously.

Also, I have no idea what to tag this, sorry lol.

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    ChingShih
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    When lexicographer James Murray crowd-sources the citations of the Oxford English dictionary he receives help from an unexpected source: Source: The Surgeon of Crowthorne: A Tale of Murder,...

    When lexicographer James Murray crowd-sources the citations of the Oxford English dictionary he receives help from an unexpected source:

    By accident," [Sir James Murray] continued, "my attention was called to the fact that [Dr. Minor's] address: Broadmoor, Crowthorne, Berkshire, was that of a large lunatic asylum. I assumed that perhaps he was the medical officer of that institution. But our correspondence was of course entirely limited to the dictionary and its materials and the only feeling I had towards him was that of gratitude for his immense help, with some surprise at the rare and expensive old books that he evidently had access to."

    This continued for many years until one day between 1887 and 1890 the late mister Justin Windsor, librarian of Harvard College was sitting, chatting in my Scriptorium and among other things remarked, "You've given great pleasure to Americans by speaking as you do in your preface of poor Dr. Minor. This is a very painful case."

    "Indeed," I said with astonishment, "in what way?"

    Mister W was equally astonished to find that in all these years I'd corresponded with doctor Minor that I've neither learned nor suspected anything about him. And he then thrilled me with his story."


    Source:

    The Surgeon of Crowthorne: A Tale of Murder, Madness and the Love of Words also called The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America (GoodReads). By Simon Winchester.

    The Surgeon of Crowthorne: A Tale of Murder, Madness and the Love of Words (Wikipedia)

    Further Reading:

    Dr. W. C. Minor (Wikipedia) - An American A surgeon who served in the Union Army during the American Civil War. (Later edit: Apparently he was born in the English colony of Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and had become increasingly unwell after the war. He murdered a man, but was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and was incarcerated at the Broadmoor asylum in the village of Crowthorne, Berkshire. Living off his pension from the Army, he was afforded reasonable accommodations and allowed to purchase books which lead to his ability to assist in providing citations for the dictionary.

    Sir James Murray (Wikipedia) - Teacher, lexicographer, philologist, and finally head editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, Sir Murray was a really interesting man and likely a savant. It's worth reading the Wikipedia page about him if nothing else.

    Broadmoor Hospital (formerly Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum) 1863-present (Wikipedia)

    Berkshire, England (Wikipedia)

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    1. Aerrol
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      This one is particularly fascinating as a picture of how mental disorders can leave you absolutely cognizant in other areas while totally non functional in some (I haven't had time to dig into...

      This one is particularly fascinating as a picture of how mental disorders can leave you absolutely cognizant in other areas while totally non functional in some (I haven't had time to dig into your links so sorry if it's addressed there)!

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  2. ChingShih
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    I used to post some things to /r/HistoryAnecdotes back in the early days of the subreddit. I'll post a couple of my favorites here. Suriname, 1986-1991 - As told by Alan 'Bowen' Source: Someone...

    I used to post some things to /r/HistoryAnecdotes back in the early days of the subreddit. I'll post a couple of my favorites here.


    Suriname, 1986-1991

    Before leaving [on the mission to assassinate the Tacujana leader], the mercenaries were provided with a local guide: he was contemptuously dismissed.

    [...] They were all corporals in the [French Foreign Legion's Parachute Regiment], and they thought, “We’ll just walk down this trail here, and turn off at this branch here, and that’ll take us to the village,” – about 200 kilometers away! I said to them, “You can’t go like that. The trails shown on the map might not exist anymore – the jungle grows so quickly – so take compasses and maps.” These guys told me they didn’t need maps and compasses. I repeated, “You’ve got to use them or you won’t get there. You’ll get lost and die in the jungle.” Then one of them admitted, “We can’t read the map,” which absolutely amazed me, because they were corporals in the Legion.

    Mick put it like this: “We’re fucking Paras. We’re airborne. When we need to go somewhere, we parachute in, and then we get taken out after we’ve done the business. We don’t have to learn how to map-read.”

    So, obviously, they got lost.

    - As told by Alan 'Bowen'


    Source:

    Someone Else’s War: Mercenaries from 1960 to the Present, by Anthony Rogers

    Notes:

    The Surinamese Interior War (Dutch: Binnenlandse Oorlog) was a civil war waged in the remote interior region of Suriname between 1986 and 1992. The war was fought between the Jungle Commando led by Ronnie Brunswijk, whose members originated from the Maroon ethnic group, and the national army led by then-army chief and de facto head of state Dési Bouterse. - Wikipedia

    Further Reading:

    History of Suriname - Also known as "Dutch Guiana" and "Surinam." (Wikipedia)

    Légion Étrangère (French Foreign Legion) (Wikipedia)

    E. A. Pan: The French Foreign Legion - An American in the FFL. (Warning, Geocities-level website with a green background. Great perspective on the modern FFL and with more links to FFL stuff.)

    Rhodesian Light Infantry - One of Rhodesia's primary counter-insurgency (COIN) units during the Rhodesian Bush War (1964-1979) and composed of some foreign nationals, including Australian and American veterans of the Vietnam War as well as Canadians, British, and South Africans.

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    ChingShih
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    J.P. Morgan was feared and seemingly unapproachable, but his son “Jack” Morgan was both business savvy and personable: Source: The House of Morgan: An American Banking Dynasty and the Rise of...

    J.P. Morgan was feared and seemingly unapproachable, but his son “Jack” Morgan was both business savvy and personable:

    He had a marvelous sense of humor which surprised many people who imagined that Morgan bankers must be dour and self-important. He once said of an enemy that if he had ordered a trainload of sons-of-bitches and received only that man, he would consider that order amply filled.


    Source:

    The House of Morgan: An American Banking Dynasty and the Rise of Modern Finance, (2001) ISBN 0-8021-3829-2 by Ron Chernow.

    Notes:

    I have a couple other anecdotes (and of a more quirky historical flair) from this book if anyone is interested in some excerpts about the Morgan family or tycoons, generally.

    Further Reading:

    John Pierpont Morgan – Interesting if you’re into reading about tycoons and “industrial consolidation” in the US, such as the merger of Edison General Electric and Thomson-Houston Electric Company to form General Electric, or the rise of America as a financier of European powers.

    J.P. “Jack” Morgan, Jr. – A vastly more interesting person who expanded the Morgan financial empire during two world wars and beyond.

    The Progressive Era – Social activism and political reform from the 1890s to the 1920s.

    The Sherman Antitrust Act – Trust-busting!

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    1. Aerrol
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      These are all great - I'd love more anecdotes from that book! Thanks for sharing :)

      These are all great - I'd love more anecdotes from that book! Thanks for sharing :)

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