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Decrying “tribalism” is a favorite pastime of American elites, but the real problem is the unity among them

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    This article makes some valid criticisms on the "elite" not feeling especially emotionally driven towards certain issues because they have the luxury to. This is quite broad.... and ironically an...

    This is, I believe, the main reason elites and members of the intelligentsia broadly invested in status quo ultimately see salvation in a mythic kingdom without conflict or meaningfully distinctive parties to institutionalize it. It’s also why so many of them seem determined to pathologize political differences as random sociological spasms rather than expressions of genuine grievances, progressive or prejudicial as the case may be: plenty of them, whether they care to admit it or not, privately pine for a place where the interests they share can be safely negotiated unfettered by the irritants of democratic politics or the headaches they tend to create.

    This article makes some valid criticisms on the "elite" not feeling especially emotionally driven towards certain issues because they have the luxury to.

    privately pine for a place where the interests they share can be safely negotiated unfettered by the irritants of democratic politics or the headaches they tend to create.

    This is quite broad.... and ironically an example of nuance being traded for certainty facilitated by the norm of making strong claims on incredibly broad groups based on identifiers of their political and societal standing.

    In my opinion, being too close to or too removed from a reality is likely to result is emotionally influenced irrationality. This article regrettably doesn't avoid making the underlying mistakes of tribalism by not recognizing the whole picture.

    But I feel like I make some mistakes in my opinion because of my isolation from risk and injustice so it is okay to see a reminder of this fallacy. On the other hand, I think this article is pretty reductive towards the people and arguments similar to me and mine based on very loose connection of being privileged.

    The discourse surrounding identity politics and tribalism has to first rise above making arguments that rely on those same factors before we get anywhere.

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      The author isn't calling for an end of factionalism (to avoid the term "tribalism"). He wants a different kind of factionalism: workers vs. owners, voters vs. plutocrats, rather than Democrats vs....

      The author isn't calling for an end of factionalism (to avoid the term "tribalism"). He wants a different kind of factionalism: workers vs. owners, voters vs. plutocrats, rather than Democrats vs. Republicans (when both parties ultimately serve capitalists in different ways). Jacobin is a Socialist magazine after all.

      In short, you're right. I always read their pieces with a grain of salt. I thought this was an interesting perspective, though.

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        I recognize the validity of that point, it definitely has merit. Despite my issues with it, I'm glad you shared this. Sometimes engaging an argument that may be taking things too far is the best...

        I recognize the validity of that point, it definitely has merit.

        Despite my issues with it, I'm glad you shared this. Sometimes engaging an argument that may be taking things too far is the best way to identify and deal with the root issues.

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