The lawmakers, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson & U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, claim that they had spoken with the private company contracted to run the facility: The facility is claiming that it's policy
The lawmakers, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson & U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, claim that they had spoken with the private company contracted to run the facility:
She said her staff was told the lawmakers would be “welcomed warmly and allowed into the facility.”
The facility is claiming that it's policy
Mark Greenberg, a former head of the HHS Administration for Children and Families, said agency policy says requests to visit facilities for migrant children be submitted two weeks in advance. However, Greenberg said in the current state of heightened concern it behooves HHS to act rapidly on requests from lawmakers.
Greenberg said much of the reason for lead time is logistical: the facilities are operated by federal contractors and government officials should be present for a congressional inspection. “The current urgency of concerns about what is happening to children who have been separated from their parents makes it important to provide access as quickly as possible,” he said
It's getting to the point where I have to comb through reports like this with a careful critical analysis, trying to stay mindful that many of the chosen words or phrases in reports like this can...
It's getting to the point where I have to comb through reports like this with a careful critical analysis, trying to stay mindful that many of the chosen words or phrases in reports like this can play to my personal biases. This story in particular could go either way. Pulling apart facts from politics, it looks like there are not "thousands" of children forcibly separated from their families at the border, but rather possibly thousands who are considered unaccompanied minors, and hundreds who have been held separately from the adult members of their families while those adults await processing. From what I gather from other reports, border patrol agents don't really separate the families, or if so, only for a few hours. It's later down the road that other agencies involved are now detaining the families, whereas in times past, those with children would be released and told to come back to court at such and such a date for judgement. The new zero tolerance policy and ensuring media coverage may be nothing more than Trump using the tools he's familiar with (image, media) to try to scare other potential immigrant families into not attempting to cross into the US. I think that comparing it at this stage to the Holocaust is a bit premature and playing into partisan sensationalism. Still, its challenging for me to know what's actually happening, especially when most reports include subtle language to pander to preexisting biases.
Children are being removed from their parents and then are being classified and treated as unaccompanied minors even though they actually did arrive with their parents; and yes they are being...
Since early May, 2,342 children have been separated from their parents after crossing the Southern U.S. border, according to the Department of Homeland Security
According to the Texas Civil Rights Project, which has been able to speak with detained adults, multiple parents reported that they were separated from their children and not given any information about where their children would go. The organization also says that in some cases, the children were taken away under the pretense that they would be getting a bath.
From the point of separation forward, the policy for treating the separated children appears to be the same as existing systems for detaining and housing unaccompanied immigrant children — designed for minors who cross the border alone.
Children begin at Border Patrol facilities, are transferred to longer-term shelters and are supposed to eventually be placed with families or sponsors.
Within three days, children are supposed to be transferred from immigration detention to the Office of Refugee Resettlement
ORR says children remain at these shelters for "fewer than 57 days on average." However some children have been kept detained for months longer than that
However, The New Yorker spoke to lawyers and advocates who said there is no formal process or clear protocol for tracking parents and children within the system and that chaotic systems and inadequate record keeping make it difficult even to know which facility a child might be kept at.
And The New York Times reports that some parents have been deported without their children, against their will.
But there is evidence that even families who seek asylum at ports of entry are being separated. One high-profile case involves a Congolese woman who sought asylum and still was separated from her 7-year-old daughter.
Thank you for taking the time to include all of this. For the record, I'm about as liberal, progressive, and let-them-all-in as anyone I know. But I am also getting weary of sources that I would...
Thank you for taking the time to include all of this. For the record, I'm about as liberal, progressive, and let-them-all-in as anyone I know. But I am also getting weary of sources that I would normally think are unbiased using headlines and phrasing that tilt toward sensationalism. It leaves me questioning a lot of information. For example, for clarification, are all 2,342 children that were separated held for as long as the worst cases? Were all lied to? Are all detention centers guilty of health code violations? It's more the way that the facts are presented that I have issues with. In my opinion, this should not be happening at all. I agree that it is worthy of exposure and needs to be corrected immediately. But AP (and NYT, and NPR and Reuters) I used to chomp down and swallow what they reported wholesale. But even this article (many other examples) put out a headline that give the appearance that the is a malignant, deliberate cover up enacted by evil wrongdoers, and then further down the story, it mentions in passing that 10% of the thousand were separated from their families. So is that roughly 900 of the thousand that don't fit this other narrative? It's all very confusing.
I agree, I listen to news podcasts from all over daily/weekly just to try and see what lines up between them and what doesn't and to help get around leading wording that one newscast might...
I agree, I listen to news podcasts from all over daily/weekly just to try and see what lines up between them and what doesn't and to help get around leading wording that one newscast might included but another doesn't.
I'd love to live in a world where you can just listen to one newscast and be good to go, unfortunately we don't live in that world and I don't know if we can ever get to that world.
I also think an issue is, in a case like this, nobody knows the full story, that's why sometimes statements might seem misleading even if they're not being misleading on purpose; it's just that we only know so much and they're trying to piece it all together as quickly and accuracy as possible.
The lawmakers, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson & U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, claim that they had spoken with the private company contracted to run the facility:
The facility is claiming that it's policy
It's getting to the point where I have to comb through reports like this with a careful critical analysis, trying to stay mindful that many of the chosen words or phrases in reports like this can play to my personal biases. This story in particular could go either way. Pulling apart facts from politics, it looks like there are not "thousands" of children forcibly separated from their families at the border, but rather possibly thousands who are considered unaccompanied minors, and hundreds who have been held separately from the adult members of their families while those adults await processing. From what I gather from other reports, border patrol agents don't really separate the families, or if so, only for a few hours. It's later down the road that other agencies involved are now detaining the families, whereas in times past, those with children would be released and told to come back to court at such and such a date for judgement. The new zero tolerance policy and ensuring media coverage may be nothing more than Trump using the tools he's familiar with (image, media) to try to scare other potential immigrant families into not attempting to cross into the US. I think that comparing it at this stage to the Holocaust is a bit premature and playing into partisan sensationalism. Still, its challenging for me to know what's actually happening, especially when most reports include subtle language to pander to preexisting biases.
Children are being removed from their parents and then are being classified and treated as unaccompanied minors even though they actually did arrive with their parents; and yes they are being separated for more than a few hours
Thank you for taking the time to include all of this. For the record, I'm about as liberal, progressive, and let-them-all-in as anyone I know. But I am also getting weary of sources that I would normally think are unbiased using headlines and phrasing that tilt toward sensationalism. It leaves me questioning a lot of information. For example, for clarification, are all 2,342 children that were separated held for as long as the worst cases? Were all lied to? Are all detention centers guilty of health code violations? It's more the way that the facts are presented that I have issues with. In my opinion, this should not be happening at all. I agree that it is worthy of exposure and needs to be corrected immediately. But AP (and NYT, and NPR and Reuters) I used to chomp down and swallow what they reported wholesale. But even this article (many other examples) put out a headline that give the appearance that the is a malignant, deliberate cover up enacted by evil wrongdoers, and then further down the story, it mentions in passing that 10% of the thousand were separated from their families. So is that roughly 900 of the thousand that don't fit this other narrative? It's all very confusing.
I agree, I listen to news podcasts from all over daily/weekly just to try and see what lines up between them and what doesn't and to help get around leading wording that one newscast might included but another doesn't.
I'd love to live in a world where you can just listen to one newscast and be good to go, unfortunately we don't live in that world and I don't know if we can ever get to that world.
I also think an issue is, in a case like this, nobody knows the full story, that's why sometimes statements might seem misleading even if they're not being misleading on purpose; it's just that we only know so much and they're trying to piece it all together as quickly and accuracy as possible.