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Andrew Yang's campaign and supporters struggle to push away US extremists, leaked chats show

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      hamstergeddon
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      I've viewed his appearance on questionable shows as more of an attempt to change minds rather than court potential voters as they are. Although I suppose there's a pretty fine line there. A vote's...

      I've viewed his appearance on questionable shows as more of an attempt to change minds rather than court potential voters as they are. Although I suppose there's a pretty fine line there. A vote's a vote, but he certainly doesn't seem to be embracing their viewpoints at all, rather he's trying to change them and that's noble.

      I like him and some of his ideas, though I'm more of a Sanders or Warren guy myself. He seems genuine and he seems like a good candidate for working toward fixing Capitalism while bridging the gap between the right and left. But we'll see, all of this is meaningless until we start having debates and get closer to the election.

      Ultimately I'm glad that we've got so much variety in candidates this time around.

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      1. alyaza
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        i would like to think this, but given the track record of venture capitalists in literally everything else they do, i'm not sure i want one approaching the white house--particularly not yang, who...

        I like him and some of his ideas, though I'm more of a Sanders or Warren guy myself. He seems genuine and he seems like a good candidate for working toward fixing Capitalism while bridging the gap between the right and left. But we'll see, all of this is meaningless until we start having debates and get closer to the election.

        i would like to think this, but given the track record of venture capitalists in literally everything else they do, i'm not sure i want one approaching the white house--particularly not yang, who feels like he hasn't put much of any thought into really any of the shit he wants and has literally no qualifications for the job. (even his seminal UBI idea doesn't make a lot of sense to pass if you think about it, because if anybody actually had the political capital to pass a UBI bill, they'd probably also have the capital to push more radical reforms than UBI like, i dunno, national rent control or something.)

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    2. clerical_terrors
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      I was intrigued by Yang for a short while, but he flamed out really fast for me. His policy proposals got increasingly nonsensical and non-sequitur and he never fully embraced nor distanced...

      I was intrigued by Yang for a short while, but he flamed out really fast for me. His policy proposals got increasingly nonsensical and non-sequitur and he never fully embraced nor distanced himself from the memes, seemingly hoping he could ride it out somewhere in-between.

      In terms of more interesting "iconoclastic" figures I'm rooting for Pete Buttigieg now, he seems miles more competent.

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      s-sea
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      I'm inclined to disagree at least on the first point - While Yang certainly started as a meme-y candidate, I think he's outgrown most of it at the point that he has interviews and articles now...

      I'm inclined to disagree at least on the first point - While Yang certainly started as a meme-y candidate, I think he's outgrown most of it at the point that he has interviews and articles now written about him. Sure, the memes are still there, but they're not driving the push - instead he's getting more people latched onto his policy (outlandish or not) and they're looking at that. IIRC, he's got more average page views and more unique visits per day on his site than any other presidential candidate right now, and that counts for something.

      While I think some of his policies are a bit out there, I don't think they're 'geared' towards virality - they're common sense ideas that might not make sense in policy (empower mma fighters, pay ncaa athletes) but are just good things to have a stance on. And I think that's really important - he's got policies across the board rather than stacking onto ideology.

      As for the appearance on shows -- I agree with hamstergeddon - I don't think this is an issue of "target[ing] the Angry White Male On the Internet." He's trying to convince people to change their views, and I think he's succeeded in some regard. I also think a lot of it has been to maintain and boost his visibility -- if it weren't for showing up on these shows, he'd be one of these dozen other candidates that have declared like gilibrand or kickenlooper who don't have much of anything to show for it.

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        1. s-sea
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          Looking at Alexa - Yang is in first with 2,614 rank; Bernie in second with 3,663; Pete in third with 6,063; Harris with 13,750 Someone had the data for visit duration and page clicks but I can't...

          Looking at Alexa - Yang is in first with 2,614 rank; Bernie in second with 3,663; Pete in third with 6,063; Harris with 13,750

          Someone had the data for visit duration and page clicks but I can't find it right now.

          Also, the circumcision thing - please. The dude made one comment on an interview that's been blown out of proportion and if you search the entirety of his site for "circumcision" it doesn't make a single appearance. It's not a policy of his, it was an off-hand thought he had.

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  2. DonQuixote
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    This illustrates just how difficult it is to run a coherent campaign in this day and age. There's a political science dissertation in this election cycle just itching to come out.

    This illustrates just how difficult it is to run a coherent campaign in this day and age. There's a political science dissertation in this election cycle just itching to come out.

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  3. Pilgrim
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    Never heard of the guy.

    Never heard of the guy.

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