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Acosta Resigns as Labor Secretary over Epstein Plea Deal

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  1. [8]
    suspended
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    He's the 445th person to leave the Trump administration. Wrap your head around that!

    He's the 445th person to leave the Trump administration. Wrap your head around that!

    8 votes
    1. [7]
      The_Fad
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      What's the comparison to other administrations? Or do we know?

      What's the comparison to other administrations? Or do we know?

      6 votes
      1. suspended
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        Are there comparisons with past administrations?

        Are there comparisons with past administrations?

        There have been many comparisons of the turnover in Trump’s administration with past administrations. However, most only look at a subset of the total departures. For instance, some compare only cabinet-level turnover. I'm working on making a page for the site that will make direct comparisons of sub-sections easier, but for now this is what exists:

        Donald Trump is losing Cabinet officials at a record rate
        https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/politics/trump-cabinet-staff-turnover/index.html

        Trump White House sets turnover records, analysis shows
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-white-house-sets-turnover-records-analysis-shows-n888396

        Why is Trump’s staff turnover higher than the 5 most recent presidents?
        https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-is-trumps-staff-turnover-higher-than-the-5-most-recent-presidents/

        Turnover In Trump's White House Vs. Obama's Is So Striking
        https://www.bustle.com/p/turnover-in-trumps-white-house-vs-obamas-is-so-striking-8389049

        Trump's Staff Turnover Is the Highest for Any Presidency in Decades
        http://fortune.com/2018/02/13/donald-trump-white-house-staff-turnover/

        4 votes
      2. [5]
        dubteedub
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        It is unprecedented. Two Years In, Turnover In Trump’s Cabinet Is Still Historically High Keep in mind, this article is from back in January, and things have only continued to accelerate. Edit:...

        It is unprecedented.

        About halfway through President Trump’s term seems like a good time to check in once again on the rate of turnover in his Cabinet compared with past presidents. Once again, it is unprecedented in recent history. Through this point in their presidencies, none of the preceding six presidents had weathered more turnover in the 24 offices that constitute Trump’s Cabinet1 than Trump has. As of Jan. 8, there had already been 12 staffing changes to his Cabinet. The president with the next-highest number at this point in his presidency was Bill Clinton, with only six. In fact, by Jan. 8 of the third year of the previous six administrations combined, just 16 people had left these offices.

        Typically, people don’t start departing en masse until a president’s second term. All four of the two-term presidents we looked at — Ronald Reagan, Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama — didn’t reach 12 personnel changes until after they were re-elected. And it still took the one-term presidents, Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, four years in office to pass the 12-departure mark.

        Keep in mind, this article is from back in January, and things have only continued to accelerate.


        Edit: The other absolutely fucking insane part of this whole bit is that with all of these officials resigning in disgrace or quitting because Trump is incompetent at best and actively working against our Democracy at worst, they are not filling in any of these empty positions. Trump is leaving most of these new positions as unconfirmed "acting" representatives that have not been vetted by the Senate. Again, completely unprecedented.

        The US will soon have an Acting Labor Sec, an Acting DHS Sec and no Dep Sec, an Acting Defense Sec and no Dep Sec, an Acting White House Chief of Staff, an Acting CBP Commiss., an Acting ICE Dir, an Acting USCIS Dir, an Acting UN Ambassador, an Acting FDA Commiss.,....

        An Acting OMB Director, an Acting Secretary of the Army, an Acting Secretary of the Air Force, an Acting DHS Under Secretary for Management, no DHS Under Secretary for Science & Tech, no DHS Under Secretary for Strategy, and an Acting FEMA Director. (PS: it’s hurricane season!)

        https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1149678565883072512

        3 votes
        1. [4]
          The_Fad
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          Now I'm confused, where does the 445 number come from?

          Now I'm confused, where does the 445 number come from?

          2 votes
          1. CALICO
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            45chaos is tracking 445. Per their FAQ:

            45chaos is tracking 445. Per their FAQ:

            Who is included in the list?
            Anyone in a high-level position who gets paid federal money and influences government policy. There is some subjectivity involved. Additionally, there is an inherent sampling bias: only departures noticed by the media get included.

            5 votes
          2. alyaza
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            i'm going to guess that if it's an actual number, it would come from not just top level positions but all the staff under them, since those people also have tended to either be cleared out or...

            i'm going to guess that if it's an actual number, it would come from not just top level positions but all the staff under them, since those people also have tended to either be cleared out or resign with the people over them.

            4 votes
  2. moocow1452
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    Go figure, all the conspiracy talk about super powerful political agents with pedophile rings, and we actually kick one up. Can we do one on the Government figuring out free energy too?

    Go figure, all the conspiracy talk about super powerful political agents with pedophile rings, and we actually kick one up. Can we do one on the Government figuring out free energy too?

    3 votes