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Trump administration Middle East peace plan calls for creation of a State of Palestine, freeze on new Israeli settlements

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  1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Palestinians angrily reject Trump Mideast peace plan The cynic in me suspects this is exactly what Netanyahu and Trump were hoping for. They unveil a "peace plan" that's hopelessly biased towards...

    Palestinians angrily reject Trump Mideast peace plan

    The cynic in me suspects this is exactly what Netanyahu and Trump were hoping for.

    They unveil a "peace plan" that's hopelessly biased towards Israel. The entire process has been a farce from start to finish. It's run by Jared Kushner who's only qualification is being Trump's son-in-law. Kushner is an Orthodox Jew so there's almost zero chance he'll be seen as an impartial and good-faith negotiator. This region has arguably the most complex and nuanced geopolitical history in the world, and Kushner said "don't talk to me about history".

    If Palestine accepts the deal, they're forced to make major concessions. If Palestine rejects the deal, as they've done, then Netanyahu and his faction within Israel get to further their narrative of "we tried to make peace, it's 100% the Palestinians' fault that hostilities continue". They quite successfully put Palestine into a no-win situation here.

    Oh, and Netanyahu was just indicted on corruption charges. The story about this "peace" deal is very likely to eclipse that in the headlines. I'm sure the timing of that was entirely coincidental, of course.

    The Israeli parliament had been due to open a debate on the immunity request on Tuesday. But Mr Netanyahu said he would not have got a fair hearing.

    He also criticised opponents for going ahead with the debate when US President Donald Trump was due to unveil his long-awaited Middle East peace plan.

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    Litmus2336
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    This is theoretically great news and I have no doubt the current administration can screw it up.

    This is theoretically great news and I have no doubt the current administration can screw it up.

    5 votes
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      nacho
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      The plan is so one-sided in favor of Israel it's a complete non-starter. No-one was expecting anything else anyway. There's been speculation Trump hasn't even spoken with the Palestinians for at...

      The plan is so one-sided in favor of Israel it's a complete non-starter.

      No-one was expecting anything else anyway.

      There's been speculation Trump hasn't even spoken with the Palestinians for at least a couple of years, if they've ever had serious negotiations. This plan all but confirms he had zero wish of giving them anything at all, or that he never spoke to them.

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        SuperGracchiBros
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        Agreed. It seems to me that the plan is basically: set the status quo in stone, with insultingly minuscule concessions towards the Palestinians. I fail to see the point of even publishing this.

        Agreed. It seems to me that the plan is basically: set the status quo in stone, with insultingly minuscule concessions towards the Palestinians. I fail to see the point of even publishing this.

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        1. Litmus2336
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          I see it as a step towards normalizing Palestinian-International relations, as well as facilitating the creation of true Palestinian state which has been greatly hampered by the US and Israel...

          I see it as a step towards normalizing Palestinian-International relations, as well as facilitating the creation of true Palestinian state which has been greatly hampered by the US and Israel refusing to recognize one.

          Edit: Although part of the reason that they don't recognize certain governing Palestinian groups is due to their direct ties to terrorism.

          2 votes
      2. [5]
        Litmus2336
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        I believe the plan is 100% a step in the right direction, and while I don't like that the Palestinian state essentially only gains legitimacy through the graces of the US I believe that is easily...

        I believe the plan is 100% a step in the right direction, and while I don't like that the Palestinian state essentially only gains legitimacy through the graces of the US I believe that is easily the most likely way we create a self sufficient Palestine rather than just continuing the barely sustainable status quo.

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          nacho
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          You think Israel should get all the territories they've occupied, illegally over decades, that even the US has voted to condemn in the UN security council and in other arenas? That's the basic...

          You think Israel should get all the territories they've occupied, illegally over decades, that even the US has voted to condemn in the UN security council and in other arenas?

          That's the basic premise of this plan.

          By giving Israel both the West bank and the entire Jordan valley, you've essentially ensured that Palestine doesn't have its own food production either, since you've just given those areas to Israel.


          Trump even had the audacity to suggest a "$50 billion plan" for Palestinian aid, but that's not a US contribution. That's supposed to be international aid mostly paid for by Muslim (Shia) countries in the region.

          This plan is even worse than the disastrous Oslo Accords that while well intentioned, led to years of terrorism and escalation of the conflict.

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          1. [3]
            Litmus2336
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            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-plan-reactions/slap-of-the-century-palestinians-reject-trump-mideast-plan-idUSKBN1ZR2BN?il=0 Welp lmao And honestly I had hoped that through...

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-plan-reactions/slap-of-the-century-palestinians-reject-trump-mideast-plan-idUSKBN1ZR2BN?il=0

            Welp lmao

            And honestly I had hoped that through negotiations the west bank would return to Palestinian control. But any change is going to need to be very gradual. Israel and Palestine both claim the same land, and compromise will need to be made. I wish we could all go back to 1947 borders too but that's just not going to happen. Unfortunately, I've given up the idea of complete and total restitution in the pursuit of lasting peace.

            3 votes
            1. [2]
              AugustusFerdinand
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              So what about the plan exactly did you believe was "100% a step in the right direction" 3 hours ago, but not 30 minutes later?

              So what about the plan exactly did you believe was "100% a step in the right direction" 3 hours ago, but not 30 minutes later?

              1. Litmus2336
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                Pardon? I disagree with some aspects of the plan but I believe any plans to formalize the two state solution and grant recognition to the Palestinian state are 100% a step in the right direction.

                Pardon? I disagree with some aspects of the plan but I believe any plans to formalize the two state solution and grant recognition to the Palestinian state are 100% a step in the right direction.

                3 votes