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Democratic Sen. Manchin casts doubts on $2,000 direct payments, potentially jeopardizing passage

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  1. [5]
    Eabryt
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    This article is from last Friday, which is basically a lifetime ago at this point. In the days since I believe he's come out and said he's not sure anymore, but not absolutely opposing anymore....

    This article is from last Friday, which is basically a lifetime ago at this point.

    In the days since I believe he's come out and said he's not sure anymore, but not absolutely opposing anymore.

    Update: It was bothering me I didn't have a source, here's a link to the interview

    and the relevant bits

    Manchin initially seemed to suggest in an interview with The Washington Post that he was “absolutely” opposed to a new round of checks. He clarified in a follow-up interview that he could potentially support more checks if they were narrow in scope and targeted for people who really need them.

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    1. dubteedub
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      It was actually pointed out that the quote was taken out of context. The "absolutely not" quote was in direct response to a question if $2k stimulus checks should be the first priority of Biden,...

      It was actually pointed out that the quote was taken out of context. The "absolutely not" quote was in direct response to a question if $2k stimulus checks should be the first priority of Biden, and he said absolutely not, it should be vaccinating people.

      Here is the transcript of the quote - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPFnylXMAEX5QS?format=jpg&name=large.

      The Washington Post reporter who wrote the original piece is Jeff Stein who has a long history of this kind of shoddy and sensationalist journalism.

      16 votes
    2. [3]
      NaraVara
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      Correct. He walked it back almost immediately and clarified that he was talking about whether he prioritized it over COVID vaccination as a part of the agenda. Not whether he supports it in general.

      Correct. He walked it back almost immediately and clarified that he was talking about whether he prioritized it over COVID vaccination as a part of the agenda. Not whether he supports it in general.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        Parliament
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        Smart of him, but then he went on Fox News recently to decry impeachment and call it "ill-advised", basically repeating the same talking points we're hearing from GOP house members in today's...

        Smart of him, but then he went on Fox News recently to decry impeachment and call it "ill-advised", basically repeating the same talking points we're hearing from GOP house members in today's hearing. Here's the full quote:

        "I think this is so ill-advised for Joe Biden to be coming in, trying to heal the country, trying to be the president of all the people, when we're going to be so divided and fighting again," Manchin continued. "Let the judicial system do its job … We're a country of the rule of law. That's the bedrock of who we are. Let that take its place. Let the investigations go on. Let the evidence come forth, and then we will go forward from there."

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        1. dubteedub
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          That same article says: So he is also not saying no to impeachment. It also sounds like a lot of it is tied to feeling they would be unable to get a conviction out of Trump a second time due to...

          That same article says:

          Manchin also emphasized there is "no rush" to impeach, leaving the door open to proceedings after Trump's time in office has ended.

          So he is also not saying no to impeachment.

          It also sounds like a lot of it is tied to feeling they would be unable to get a conviction out of Trump a second time due to the GOP delegation.

          "I don't see any of that because there will be 48, still 48 Democrats, until we seat Warnock and Sen. Ossoff," Manchin said when asked if he sees any scenario where Trump would be convicted by the Senate. He referenced incoming Democratic Sens. Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff, who won their runoff elections in Georgia last week.

          "So, until that happens, you need 67 votes. I think, my arithmetic, that means we have 19 Republicans. I don't see that," he said. "And I think the House should know that also. We have been trying to send that message over. They know the votes aren't there."

          This calculation may have changed since the interview on Monday considering Senate GOP seem to be angling more towards conviction now in order to promote the appearance of severing ties with Trump and preventing him from running again in 2024.

          4 votes
  2. Kuromantis
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    However:

    Key Points:

    • Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin suggested he could oppose $2,000 direct payments when Democrats try to pass them.

    • The West Virginia lawmaker said he wants any more direct payments to be targeted.

    • As they prepare to take a razor-thin Senate majority, Democrats could need Manchin’s vote to pass coronavirus relief legislation.

    The Washington Post first quoted the West Virginia lawmaker as saying he would “absolutely” oppose another coronavirus relief check to Americans. He later clarified his comment in a tweeted statement, saying, “If the next round of stimulus checks goes out they should be targeted to those who need it.”

    Manchin’s comments appeared to cause a temporary dip in major stock indexes on Friday.

    However:

    Manchin may not doom passage of the payments. At least one Republican — Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri — backed $2,000 checks last month as President Donald Trump pushed for them. It is unclear if or how the president’s departure or the pro-Trump mob attack on the Capitol this week will affect the GOP politics around the payments.

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