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Mike Pompeo declares China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide'

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  1. Deimos
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    China has now announced sanctions on 28 "anti-China politicians", including Mike Pompeo and multiple other Trump administration officials.

    China has now announced sanctions on 28 "anti-China politicians", including Mike Pompeo and multiple other Trump administration officials.

    These individuals and their immediate family members are prohibited from entering the mainland, Hong Kong and Macao of China. They and companies and institutions associated with them are also restricted from doing business with China.

    5 votes
  2. [11]
    bloup
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    Don't you love all of these traps that Mike Pompeo is setting for Joe Biden?

    Don't you love all of these traps that Mike Pompeo is setting for Joe Biden?

    3 votes
    1. [4]
      arghdos
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      Regardless of what the intent of the outgoing administration is, there is some strong evidence of this being a genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide...
      12 votes
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        bloup
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        Definitely not disagreeing with what you are suggesting, I just don't want anyone to think that Mike Pompeo actually cares about the Uyghurs, and I want people to understand that he's definitely...

        Definitely not disagreeing with what you are suggesting, I just don't want anyone to think that Mike Pompeo actually cares about the Uyghurs, and I want people to understand that he's definitely doing this to force Joe Biden into a lose-lose policy decision where he will either even further damage the relationship between the US and their most important trading partner, or risk looking like he's not "tough on China".

        7 votes
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          arghdos
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          I mean, I think that your assessment of Pompeo's motivations is probably accurate, but also in a moral world we would call out genocide as an inherent evil, rather than weigh the effect on trade /...

          I mean, I think that your assessment of Pompeo's motivations is probably accurate, but also in a moral world we would call out genocide as an inherent evil, rather than weigh the effect on trade / international relations. There is, of course, a world of problematic counter-examples of the US ignoring / inflicting genocidal actions both at home and abroad that undercut that, but I can't say I'm too upset about this decision.

          11 votes
          1. bloup
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            I'm not upset about anything about this decision either, other than how slimy and opportunistic you'd have to be to leverage a genocide for political gain, and I think that is absolutely an...

            I'm not upset about anything about this decision either, other than how slimy and opportunistic you'd have to be to leverage a genocide for political gain, and I think that is absolutely an outrage worth bringing up that does nothing to detract from the horror in Xinjiang.

            6 votes
    2. [6]
      JakeTheDog
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      How so?

      How so?

      1 vote
      1. [4]
        bloup
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        Besides this, Mike Pompeo also mysteriously decided that the US was now going to enter into full diplomatic relations with Taiwan, which is a huge no-no when it comes to US-China diplomacy....

        Besides this, Mike Pompeo also mysteriously decided that the US was now going to enter into full diplomatic relations with Taiwan, which is a huge no-no when it comes to US-China diplomacy. Considering the timing of this sort of stuff, and the fact that this all is only happening after Donald Trump lost the election despite the US-China relationship not really fundamentally changing in any sort of significant way, I think it's pretty obvious that Mike Pompeo is trying to set up Joe Biden and force him into having to make policy decision that, no matter what he chooses, will definitely wind up pissing off like half the country.

        I really don't think Mike Pompeo would be talking about Uyghur genocide or Taiwan if Donald Trump won the election.

        So I had some details wrong but if you'd like to read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/09/mike-pompeo-restrictions-us-taiwan-china

        10 votes
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          JakeTheDog
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          Ah I see. That makes sense. But to be honest, I'm extremely glad that this is finally on the table, and I'm hoping Biden and Dems have the decency (and the balls) to follow through with this. A...

          Ah I see. That makes sense. But to be honest, I'm extremely glad that this is finally on the table, and I'm hoping Biden and Dems have the decency (and the balls) to follow through with this. A chance for Biden to show that Dems can also be "tough with China" and not just let them steamroll Americans.

          5 votes
          1. bloup
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            I guess I just wish it was reported as just the "State Department" doing it, instead of the media also giving Mike Pompeo the benefit of looking like he's actually trying to do the right thing....

            I guess I just wish it was reported as just the "State Department" doing it, instead of the media also giving Mike Pompeo the benefit of looking like he's actually trying to do the right thing. But, I also think the intentions are important to consider when Joe Biden is going to have to weigh in on this and people start fighting with each other about it.

            1 vote
        2. skybrian
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          It’s worth pointing out that if Biden wanted to declare China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide' or wanted full diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and the previous administration took the blame,...

          It’s worth pointing out that if Biden wanted to declare China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide' or wanted full diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and the previous administration took the blame, then they would be doing Biden a favor.

          4 votes
      2. Micycle_the_Bichael
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        The logic I parsed from Reddit was this is Pompeo purposefully trying to sour relations with China as they are on the way out so China will retaliate against the US and republicans can blame...

        The logic I parsed from Reddit was this is Pompeo purposefully trying to sour relations with China as they are on the way out so China will retaliate against the US and republicans can blame Biden. I admit I can see the logic and I’d believe it.

        I mean, at the end of the day what’s happening is a genocide so it doesn’t super super matter the intentions. Though based on /r/worldnews responses to this most redditors think forced castration isn’t as bad of a genocide as mass murder and the real problem is people need to stop acting like this is the same as the Holocaust. To be clear: they understand that this meets the definition of genocide, they just think genocide is too broadly defined. A stance I firmly disagree with but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I am just reporting what I read.

        9 votes
  3. JakeTheDog
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    I wonder which other nations will follow suit.

    I wonder which other nations will follow suit.

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