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Volodymyr Zelenskyy Fox News interview after Oval Office meeting

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  1. [3]
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    This interview was good to see. Zelenskyy explained his position clearly and did not allow room for his words to be misinterpreted — though I’m sure they somehow still will be. He’s working to...

    This interview was good to see. Zelenskyy explained his position clearly and did not allow room for his words to be misinterpreted — though I’m sure they somehow still will be. He’s working to keep that door of cooperation and diplomacy open between the U.S. and Ukraine, and hopefully that will be so.

    A running theme throughout these negotiations this past month seems to be that certain parties are quite invested in Zelenskyy stepping down from office as soon as possible, and that they are attempting to forcefully shame him into it. It just hasn’t worked because Zelenskyy is an actual good and honorable president who cares about his people, and that humbleness, that servant leadership, is thwarting them.

    And on that note, here is an interview with the remarkably self-serving and honorless Senator Lindsey Graham sharing his very rehearsed and in no way original thoughts on the Oval Office meeting from earlier today.

    38 votes
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      CptBluebear
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      It's also unconstitutional. Ukraine does not allow for elections during an emergency like all out war. The narrative of him not stepping down because he's somehow a dictator is laughable and...

      It just hasn’t worked

      It's also unconstitutional. Ukraine does not allow for elections during an emergency like all out war.

      The narrative of him not stepping down because he's somehow a dictator is laughable and should not be taken seriously whatsoever. Anyone bringing that up as a talking point lost the plot and can be disregarded as acting in bad faith.

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      1. dlay
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        Right. And does anyone recall when Russia had its last fair elections?

        Right. And does anyone recall when Russia had its last fair elections?

        7 votes
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    hobbes64
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    Well I watched some of this video but I was on guard because it's from Fox News which I hate with a burning passion. It actually started out fine but I had to stop watching when they showed...

    Well I watched some of this video but I was on guard because it's from Fox News which I hate with a burning passion. It actually started out fine but I had to stop watching when they showed comments from that horrible snake Lindsay Graham who was praising Trump and Vance for their behavior during the visit. What a total piece of groveling shit he is.

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      agentsquirrel
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      I'd bet money Trump has video of Lindsay doing something he doesn't want out in the public. Lindsay's groveling and support for Trump has always been over the top.

      I'd bet money Trump has video of Lindsay doing something he doesn't want out in the public. Lindsay's groveling and support for Trump has always been over the top.

      6 votes
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        Grumble4681
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        Graham wasn't always supportive of Trump. Graham flip flopped on that like he has many other things, and is not held to account for any of it, much like most elected representatives. "Use my words...
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        Graham wasn't always supportive of Trump. Graham flip flopped on that like he has many other things, and is not held to account for any of it, much like most elected representatives.

        "Use my words against me" - Lindsay Graham

        Trump doesn't have anything on Lindsay as there's no way he could have it exclusively to himself and if it's not exclusive there's little chance of it being kept quiet this long. There's only a few things that can even be held against people who have so little accountability as it is. Literally even when the person himself tells the voters to use his words against him and then betrays his own words, he's not held to account. And he CLEARLY AND SPECIFICALLY defined the terms that he later betrayed, so it's not like he could weasel out of it based on vague language. There's just no accountability as long as you favor the political headwinds, you can lie, cheat, steal and none of it matters.

        Also I don't like linking a video uploaded by Fox News as they probably get revenue from this, but I suspect that even if I downloaded it and re-uploaded it that it would get blocked by Youtube or automatically claimed by content ID, but here's your proof that Lindsay Graham didn't always support Trump. So I'll provide some quotes for people who wouldn't want to click on a Fox News video. I realize the video linked in the post itself is also Fox News so I guess it may not matter.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKLO4lXYaGI

        "If I'm Barack Obama and a Democrat, I would do everything I could to nominate Donald Trump. He's disparaged women, he has 80% disapproval rating among Hispanics. At the end of the day he would be the most flawed nominee in the history of the Republican party." -Lindsay Graham

        "I'm not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook, I think he's crazy, I think he's unfit for office and I'm a Republican and he's not. He's not a conservative Republican, he's an opportunist. He could shoot somebody on 5th avenue, and 25 or 30% of people would still follow him because he gives voice to their anger and frustration but he's not fit to be President of the United States." - Lindsay Graham

        "70% of us in South Carolina believe that Donald Trump is not a conservative Republican. We think that he's unfit for office, that he would be a terrible Commander-in-Chief, he doesn't have the temperament or judgement, but when he accused President George W. Bush who we admire in large numbers here, of lying to the American people about the Iraq War and being responsible for the most vicious attack on our homeland since Pearl Harbor, that is going to stick with 70% of the public." .... "70% of the people will not vote for Donald Trump. He's completely unelectable. He has an 80% disapproval rating with the fastest growing demographic in America, the Hispanic community with growth potential. 60% of the people in a recent poll believe that Donald Trump would be the most likely best candidate to beat Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. With all due respect, you're absolutely dead wrong. We would get slaughtered as a party if Donald Trump is our nominee and quite frankly we would deserve it." -Lindsay Graham.

        Granted Lindsay Graham was sort of speaking as a mouthpiece for the Jeb Bush campaign in that piece, but he's also seemingly speaking on behalf of himself to an extent when he talks about people he represents in South Carolina.

        To me, this reads like Lindsay Graham understood why those 30% of people would support Trump, he just underestimated (like many people back then did), how many people would support him. When it became clear the extent to which people would vote for Trump, I don't think Lindsay Graham needed to be blackmailed into supporting Trump, he just recognized that a person he thought was unelectable was actually very electable and that he needed to shift radically to maintain his position considering he drastically underestimated (or overestimated) voters in his own state.

        13 votes
        1. WeAreWaves
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          That was so crazy to watch the Republican primaries for 2016. All of the other candidates, Fox News, all the Republican commentators, and like 60% of Republican voters saying for months that Trump...

          That was so crazy to watch the Republican primaries for 2016. All of the other candidates, Fox News, all the Republican commentators, and like 60% of Republican voters saying for months that Trump is wholly unfit for office, a total moron, in it only for personal gain, etc, etc. Only to drop off slowly as it became clear that he was going to be their nominee. And then they all ate their shit sandwiches and went all in. Even so many of the supposedly ideological conservatives made their way through the “anti-anti-Trump” route, which of course just became pro-Trump.

          7 votes