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  1. nacho
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    In what situations would rule 3 apply? I'm probably misunderstanding something because it seems to me that rules 1 and 2 in combination rule out any possible use under rule 3. To me, rules 1 and 2...

    The next three laws will be the shoulders which our privacy can rest upon:

    1. A Corporation, Organization or Government may not invade the privacy of a human being. It may only happen with explicit permission, requiring full transparency of the purpose behind the data extraction. The individual has to understand the real use of his or her data.

    2. A Corporation, Organization or Government must give up the ownership of that data. It is the individual who owns it. It can’t be stored nor used in the future. It may only be used in the future for other purposes, except where such usage would conflict with the First Law.

    3. A Corporation, Organization or Government may have permission to invade an individual’s privacy and make use of his or her data, as long as such permission does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

    In what situations would rule 3 apply? I'm probably misunderstanding something because it seems to me that rules 1 and 2 in combination rule out any possible use under rule 3.

    To me, rules 1 and 2 in isolation, and in combination seem extreme (again, I may be misunderstanding any exceptions outlined in rules 3). They grossly limit both freedom expression and public dissemination, the ability to conduct research and so on.

    The implications here go far beyond what you've considered in the rest of the post and for the rest of society.

    There's a reason why there's no right to privacy in The Bill of Rights, although this out-dated 18th century document grants individuals crazy rights that can't be balanced as it is.

    Here are a handful of examples:


    1. The free press. Rules 1 and 2 would require all journalists to actively declare both their presence, and purpose of reporting/recording/presence/investigation. This empowers huge corporate entities and people in position of power to evade scrutiny or present facades any time someone wishes to record events for posterity.

    2. Police investigations. Rules one against recording data without consent/declaration and rule two against storage of investigative material means (government) investigation into possible wrongdoing becomes impossible.

    3. Right to your own likeness. Your image/likeness is part of your data (as are other biometrics). A right to deny others to publish your image has wide-ranging consequences for a number of industries. A right to all images of your likeness ("your data") is the nail in the coffin for professional photography, to give one example.

    4. Research. Huge databases of properly anonymized medical data exist for research purposes of various kinds. These sorts of things are the basis for cancer research, epidemiological studies and so on. Rule 3 prevents any of that data to be used for people who're deceased for future research, or requires huge bureaucracy for consent-seeking to use old data for new research.

    5. Destruction of information. The onus for storing data about people becomes their own responsibility. This necessarily leads to huge loss of data as everyone won't save their data in reasonable ways, or wish to save perfectly harmless, anonymized data for the benefit of society/humankind.


    New regulations for advertisers and other third-party selling of information are necessary.

    I think that should be done directly through legislation towards those industries to avoid all the unintended consequences of sweeping rights/rules.

    Absolute rights without exceptions (even such as in the Bill of Rights in the US) will always conflict in various ways. It's my view those conflicts should be addressed through legislation rather than unelected judges making those determinations for themselves.

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  2. elcuello
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    Good point all around and I fully support your work. We really need some live ammo in this discussion that everybody can understand. I think the 3 rules are a great start that a lot of people can...

    Good point all around and I fully support your work. We really need some live ammo in this discussion that everybody can understand. I think the 3 rules are a great start that a lot of people can easily understand.

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    mrbig
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    I find very odd that an article on privacy was published on Medium.

    I find very odd that an article on privacy was published on Medium.

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          mrbig
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          Hello, my friend. I made that point and answered a question for clarification. I'm sorry I bothered you, I didn't mean to do that. But I disagree that is an "easy point" (at least in the negative...

          Hello, my friend. I made that point and answered a question for clarification. I'm sorry I bothered you, I didn't mean to do that. But I disagree that is an "easy point" (at least in the negative meaning you seem to want to convey). It is a valid one (an argument can be actually easy, valid and true at the same time, but let's not lose ourselves in logical purism :P). This doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, of course.

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              I don't know, man... isn't that a psychology self-help book written by an economics Nobel prize winner who admitted to placing too much faith in some study results? Regardless of the previous...

              I don't know, man... isn't that a psychology self-help book written by an economics Nobel prize winner who admitted to placing too much faith in some study results?

              Regardless of the previous paragraph, my point here is: an argument (or point, which is an argument "compressed" to its conclusion) can be easy, valid and true at the same time, so calling a point "easy" doesn't mean much. "Hitler was a nazi" is a very easy point. It is also true.

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                1. mrbig
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                  If conversations going off-topic really bother you that much, I don't think you'll be very happy with websites like Tildes and Reddit.

                  If conversations going off-topic really bother you that much, I don't think you'll be very happy with websites like Tildes and Reddit.

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        mrbig
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        Because Medium is the Facebook of blogging, which, in my opinion, is the very opposite of privacy.

        Because Medium is the Facebook of blogging, which, in my opinion, is the very opposite of privacy.

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          1. mrbig
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            Privacy Related Walled garden for both commenting and posting Annoying modal asking me to register every time Requires a Google or Facebook account Closed source Privacy policies don't mean shit...

            Privacy Related

            1. Walled garden for both commenting and posting
              • Annoying modal asking me to register every time
              • Requires a Google or Facebook account
            2. Closed source
              • Privacy policies don't mean shit without external auditing (and maybe not even then)

            Other stuff I don't like

            1. Claps don't mean anything
            2. It's slow
            3. Hard to export
            4. No official support for markdown
            5. It looks like Facebook
            6. Not customizable

            Better alternative

            Self-hosted Wordpress.

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          2. starchturrets
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            Also, they're literally the only major site I've seen that actually makes an effort to comply with Do Not Track.

            Also, they're literally the only major site I've seen that actually makes an effort to comply with Do Not Track.

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