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Vivaldi 2.2: Focus on details

7 comments

  1. [5]
    spinzer0
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    Vivaldi is proprietary software just don't use it. Also the privacy terms are quite explicits: https://vivaldi.com/privacy/vivaldi-end-user-license-agreement/ https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/...

    Vivaldi is proprietary software just don't use it.

    Also the privacy terms are quite explicits:

    https://vivaldi.com/privacy/vivaldi-end-user-license-agreement/

    https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/

    https://vivaldi.com/privacy/sync/

    7 votes
    1. [4]
      balooga
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      For those of us who don't speak Legalese, what are the concerning parts?

      For those of us who don't speak Legalese, what are the concerning parts?

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        DtheS
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        In other words, it's about the same level of spying that you get out of Google Chrome, (or Firefox if you use their sync services)... Feel free to use "proprietary" software as you see fit. Just...

        About Sync service

        This service aims to provide users with the ability to synchronize the information recorded in their Vivaldi web browser (such as bookmarks, settings, passwords and browsing history) with a web browser they are using on a different computer. This is done for users voluntarily choosing to enable the feature.

        The data is encrypted, sent to Vivaldi servers located in Iceland by the user’s Vivaldi browser in the form of individually encrypted entries for each separate data item. Similarly, the user’s Vivaldi browser can request to retrieve the data from the server and decrypt it using the user’s key. Vivaldi servers also send a notification to any logged in Vivaldi Browser over an encrypted connection.

        In other words, it's about the same level of spying that you get out of Google Chrome, (or Firefox if you use their sync services)... Feel free to use "proprietary" software as you see fit. Just understand that they can collect information in regards to how you use the browser. It's a matter of trust in respect to their ability to abuse power.

        5 votes
        1. balooga
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          Fair enough. A third-party audit could confirm the company is doing what it says it will do. In general I think that the sync service is encrypted and opt-in should be applauded. Presumably the...

          Fair enough. A third-party audit could confirm the company is doing what it says it will do. In general I think that the sync service is encrypted and opt-in should be applauded. Presumably the encryption means Vivaldi cannot actually see into the data themselves, but it would be nice to have that point independently verified.

          Beyond that, the fact the company is operating out of Norway, which is a member of the Nine Eyes Alliance, should be the most concerning thing to note here.

          2 votes
        2. [2]
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          1. DtheS
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            Their documentation isn't exactly clear, but I think that paragraph should be read as two conceptual 'halves.' Half 1: That is, user ID's contain information about the device you signed in with....

            Their documentation isn't exactly clear, but I think that paragraph should be read as two conceptual 'halves.'

            Half 1:

            When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message.

            That is, user ID's contain information about the device you signed in with. The purpose of this could be for a variety of reasons. It might be for analytics so they know which kind of devices are using their browser. It could also be a part of verifying that the user's account hasn't been 'hijacked'; verifying that this is the same device they used previously. Or, it could be a combination of reasons. Some users might find this invasive, to which, they should opt to use some other browser.

            Half 2:

            We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup. The purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active users and their geographical distribution.

            This half, I think is pretty straight forward. They might also use the IP address to verify the user ID as well... And, once again, if this seems invasive then Vivaldi is not for you!

  2. [2]
    666
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    I like Vivaldi and the new video pop out feature is very useful, I've used it in Opera before (which got it first), but I think they haven't been keeping up to date with what other browsers are...

    I like Vivaldi and the new video pop out feature is very useful, I've used it in Opera before (which got it first), but I think they haven't been keeping up to date with what other browsers are doing. The "Time travel with a middle-click" section shows that, you can do the same in Firefox if you hold ctrl while you long click the back or forward arrows and select a history item. Access key shortcuts seem like a very useful feature, I always forget what shortcuts each website uses.

    2 votes
    1. Askme_about_penguins
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      It really bothers me how the picture in picture mode stopped working with Netflix in Opera. That was my main use for the browser.

      It really bothers me how the picture in picture mode stopped working with Netflix in Opera. That was my main use for the browser.

      1 vote