Lobachevsky's recent activity
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Comment on UK and Denmark are demanding overhaul of European immigration laws – Keir Starmer and Mette Frederiksen argue populists will continue to gain ground if something isn't done soon in ~society
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Comment on How Europe is gearing up to follow Australia's teen social media ban in ~tech
Lobachevsky LinkIs this implying that parents need their governments to pass laws to prevent their kids from doing something? Seems to me that if your parents don't consent, you already need to dodge their...unless they have parental consent
without parental consent
requiring under-14s on social media to have parental consent
Is this implying that parents need their governments to pass laws to prevent their kids from doing something? Seems to me that if your parents don't consent, you already need to dodge their restrictions. What's stopping you from dodging further?
an outright ban on under-13s
Last I checked every freaking forum had a "confirm you're at least 13 years old" checkbox already.
Social media platforms including TikTok, Facebook and Snapchat already have a minimum age of 13
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Why does it seem like all western democracies do is pass useless legislation to appease public opinion?
Actually no, more like passing legislation that appeases public opinion while at the same time putting more restrictions and justifications on surveillance on the internet.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentWell sure if you want to tell me when you said "millions" you actually meant "hundreds of millions" we can even talk about that being a more reasonable proposition. I still take issue with "life...Your life wouldn't be any different if you'd have 900 million instead of 2 billion.
Well sure if you want to tell me when you said "millions" you actually meant "hundreds of millions" we can even talk about that being a more reasonable proposition. I still take issue with "life wouldn't be any different". Of course it would be massively different, the billions aren't a useless pile of money sitting in a vault being eaten up by inflation, they're capital, they're companies, assets, which would be what, nationalized I guess?
Man I still cannot believe I am forced to relate to billionaires here.
Hybrid cars were taxed at a lower rate in this country and I voted against my "best interests" to get that increased even though it would cost me personally
- The kind of money you were taxed for couldn't buy you entire successful enterprises that you could then use to do what you think is good
- I'm guessing it wasn't a tax saying basically "CptBluebear and his peers pay up, everyone else gains". Bit of a difference here I think.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentI just completely disagree with your definition of a major sacrifice. Life isn't just about comfort either.I just completely disagree with your definition of a major sacrifice. Life isn't just about comfort either.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentI understand tax brackets. I was referring to Anyway whatever your feeling is, you should also understand then that no one in their right mind would want to be subjected to this and would avoid it...I understand tax brackets. I was referring to
If it was to reduce your billions to millions so we can all have a little more then no, I don't particularly feel bad about it.
Anyway whatever your feeling is, you should also understand then that no one in their right mind would want to be subjected to this and would avoid it with whatever means possible. It's just cost cutting, we all practice it.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentIf you're going to use absolute values then a billionaire is paying many orders of magnitude in taxes than any of us, so the whole point is moot. That's not even accounting for jobs and businesses...If you're going to use absolute values then a billionaire is paying many orders of magnitude in taxes than any of us, so the whole point is moot. That's not even accounting for jobs and businesses and such that participate in the economy. Anyway 90% networth is an insane figure and it's completely understandable to want to avoid losing that.
I don't love rich people and especially I don't love dynasties who keep inheriting ad nauseam. I just think that if other people make your life worse in a country it's a perfectly adequate response to leave and everyone should be able to without making major sacrifices.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentI had to move because other people were making my existence in my home country actively worse and I was better off leaving. It wasn't not nearly as bad as losing 90% of networth like you're...I had to move because other people were making my existence in my home country actively worse and I was better off leaving. It wasn't not nearly as bad as losing 90% of networth like you're proposing, but it created a lot of problems in my life. Genuinely never thought I would feel bad for billionaires but here we are.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentRefer to my other comment:It indicates they feel absolutely zero loyalty or obligation towards the people and country they used to build their dragon's hoard.
Refer to my other comment:
I guess I don't really at all understand what you're talking about considering I was essentially forced to leave my home country and yeah, people like me are frequently labeled as cowards, traitors, useless, etc. I just didn't expect to see this attitude on progressive western tildes of all places. The more you know.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentI don't see what their level of wealth has to do with anything besides having an option to leave where others might not. The person alleged that wanting to leave your country is worthy of scorn, I...I don't see what their level of wealth has to do with anything besides having an option to leave where others might not. The person alleged that wanting to leave your country is worthy of scorn, I find that to be to be distasteful, simple as that.
Being annoyed at billionaires is a progressive western hobby.
Cool, but maybe watch what you're annoyed at? It's kind of important.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentI guess I don't really at all understand what you're talking about considering I was essentially forced to leave my home country and yeah, people like me are frequently labeled as cowards,...I guess I don't really at all understand what you're talking about considering I was essentially forced to leave my home country and yeah, people like me are frequently labeled as cowards, traitors, useless, etc. I just didn't expect to see this attitude on progressive western tildes of all places. The more you know.
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Comment on Swiss reject millionaire inheritance tax in ~society
Lobachevsky Link ParentHuh? Why? Living in a country shouldn't be a prison where you aren't allowed to leave.The absolute gall of them to threaten to leave the country is infuriating.
Huh? Why? Living in a country shouldn't be a prison where you aren't allowed to leave.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentI guess you are using some technical definition of plagiarism. When I say plagiarism, I simply mean copying verbatim. This is not at all relevant to the AI discussion because AI is by definition a...If I start printing and selling copies of the Harry Potter books verbatim (without a licensing agreement), but I make it clear on the front of the book that I’m not the original author, then this isn’t plagiarism, specifically.
I guess you are using some technical definition of plagiarism. When I say plagiarism, I simply mean copying verbatim. This is not at all relevant to the AI discussion because AI is by definition a neural network (its weights), it cannot possibly be a verbatim copy. And if you want to say that you can get it to produce a verbatim copy, I'll respond with the fact that Photoshop can be used to produce a perfect copy of any copyrighted image.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentWhere does the notion come from that you can post anything you want online and then exclusively decide exactly how people use it? Plagiarism (taking things as is) is a very specific case that we...Where does the notion come from that you can post anything you want online and then exclusively decide exactly how people use it?
Plagiarism (taking things as is) is a very specific case that we forbid. What does this have to do with AI training? Moreover, for 10 years everyone was free to copy this content, save it on their computers, run algorithms, study that data, transform it, make it into something else, sell the results and it was fine. Why is AI training any different? -
Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentBecause it's absurd to demand compensation based on some internal intentions you may have had 10 years ago that weren't explicitly stated.Because it's absurd to demand compensation based on some internal intentions you may have had 10 years ago that weren't explicitly stated.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentI meant as opposed to making anyone that have already trained a model on their works retroactively pay for it.I meant as opposed to making anyone that have already trained a model on their works retroactively pay for it.
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Comment on Part of me wishes it wasn't true but: AI coding is legit in ~tech
Lobachevsky LinkThe conversation around AI is sadly insanely polluted with toupee fallacy, people using it incorrectly, for suboptimal use cases or indeed training it incorrectly. As well as the completely...The conversation around AI is sadly insanely polluted with toupee fallacy, people using it incorrectly, for suboptimal use cases or indeed training it incorrectly. As well as the completely unrealistic standard of comparing 1 short prompt and 10 seconds of time to many man hours not counting education/training. Plus just plain ideological hatred/shilling. The best way is to look at concrete results rather than opinions.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentWe aren't talking about licensing the training process. It's very debatable that it would be required as opposed to falling under fair use. We're talking about downloading media illegally, i.e....We aren't talking about licensing the training process. It's very debatable that it would be required as opposed to falling under fair use. We're talking about downloading media illegally, i.e. piracy. This only applies to something like downloading a Disney movie. 99% of the time the conversation about AI being "theft" revolves around artists and content creators that post their content online to be freely accessed, so scraping it isn't the same thing as pirating a movie or whatever.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentAgain, you're using the word "ripping", but I don't see how it is that. Remixes and edits exist on YouTube just fine. I'm aware, that's why I said that companies should pay for the data. But this...Elements publicly posted for free viewing is not the same as being made for public use. I can view a lot of things on YouTube, but created content is protected by the law. And again, there is a difference between a single person ripping a free YouTube video, and a corporation ripping millions of videos.
Again, you're using the word "ripping", but I don't see how it is that. Remixes and edits exist on YouTube just fine.
Individual piracy is not the same as corporate piracy.
I'm aware, that's why I said that companies should pay for the data. But this is a criticism of individual companies, not of "AI". Again, if that's the extent of your position on why it's "stealing" or "ripping", then it seems extremely misleading to use those terms.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentThat's fine and good, but do you acknowledge that "being based on" and "stealing from" are fundamentally different concepts and the difference between them makes or breaks your argument? To also...That's fine and good, but do you acknowledge that "being based on" and "stealing from" are fundamentally different concepts and the difference between them makes or breaks your argument?
To also be clear, I think there are a variety of better ways of describing whatever AI are doing with music et al than "stealing". I'm trying to say that it is not at all intuitive and you haven't demonstrated why exactly it is theft.
As I said in the previous post, piracy is not at all the same. I don't even think anyone would ever say "I stole a PDF of a textbook" because it's just not the same thing intuitively as lifting a book from a shop. So yes, in my opinion there's clear distinction there. Personally I also don't particularly care about piracy that much. In fact I think copyright laws are too draconian and way more works should be in public domain. I do agree that just as schools should pay for textbooks and companies should not pirate the training data. Thankfully there's no inherent requirement for training data to be pirated, it is not at all a problem with AI as a technology.
Now if you want to argue that using works publicly posted for free to view and download for AI training is stealing and every one of those authors is owed a compensation then you really should make a strong argument for it, because I don't see it. I mean, did Google researches know that AI was gonna become a golden goose when they posted their paper on Transformer architecture for all to use? No. Are they now retroactively owed compensation because their work is now being used to make billions? I don't think so. Neither do I think that everyone who posted their art/music/whatever online is now owed compensation because it happened to be used to train valuable models. That's just... progress.
Now if you want to say that you should be able to opt out of whatever you're posting to be used in AI training going forward through appropriate licenses, I can definitely see that argument having validity.
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Comment on An AI-generated country song is topping a Billboard chart, and that should infuriate us all in ~music
Lobachevsky Link ParentI can't help but notice that you go from "actively stealing" to "being based on". It's just wild how liberally the word theft is used when it comes to conversations about AI. And I don't know...I can't help but notice that you go from "actively stealing" to "being based on". It's just wild how liberally the word theft is used when it comes to conversations about AI. And I don't know about you, but it's not really obvious to me that authors are owed money for any algorithm that uses their works as input. Like if I run a script that takes articles published online, takes a random adjective, verb, noun from each and cleverly arranges them into a legible text - do I now owe financial recompense to every single author of an article that I used? It doesn't make any sense to me, the value of the finished work (if any) would be in the clever arrangement of the words, each one on their own would be worthless. Similarly, a raw dataset is just a pile of garbage, the value comes from filtering it, labeling it, writing an algorithm to train on it, from compute costs, from R&D behind it all. All of that work is not done by the original authors.
You could say, well what about the data that wasn't openly published on the internet, and yes indeed that would be piracy if it was downloaded illegally, something that no one really disagrees with including the courts. Yet it is NEVER talked about in AI criticisms, probably because in the eyes of most people piracy isn't really such a big deal, instead we have the accusations of "callous theft!" and such, which is in my opinion simply disingenuous.
Because it's not some fantasy completely invented out of nothing. It is a response to real world issues caused by immigration that are felt by many. If the moderates don't provide any solutions, the extremists and the populists will.
Some immigration is good, some immigration isn't good. Also not universally good, there will always be winners and losers.
Here's an easy tildes way to envisage how immigration can be bad: imagine if a bunch of billionaires moved to your town, bought all of the property and raised all rents 10x.
Sure, I'd love that too since I happened to be born with a shitty passport and am now an immigrant which is causing me all sorts of issues. But if you've ever lived in an apartment building with shitty neighbors you understand that having a somewhat restricted community with people around you can be a good thing (for you). And in a democracy you have to contend with the 51% who are probably the people who are already settled there and thus benefit from restricting their community.