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The New Yorker on Linus Torvalds & Abusive Behavior

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    jgb Link
    Frankly, one of the shallower and more one-sided takes on this issue that I've read. I don't see why this piece should be given any more credibility than the many comments and points of view given...

    Frankly, one of the shallower and more one-sided takes on this issue that I've read. I don't see why this piece should be given any more credibility than the many comments and points of view given in reddit and HN comments, because many of them have been more balanced and shown better understanding of the issues at hand.

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    1. cadadr Link Parent
      Even the title fails. As much as I dislike Linus' style in those certain messages, I don't think any of it is actually "abuse". They are personal attacks, sure, but abuse is too much, even beyond...

      Even the title fails. As much as I dislike Linus' style in those certain messages, I don't think any of it is actually "abuse". They are personal attacks, sure, but abuse is too much, even beyond exaggeration.

      I always think that while condeming offensive behaviour is important, not condoning weakness in front of offence is important too. I.e. it's important to teach that, unless fatal threat is present, one needs to be able to stand their ground no matter what, given they think objectively that they are doing something correct; and do so in front of the adversary, not behind their backs. That's how justice is defended: first, by being objective to oneself, and then only if one is indeed in the right, standing their ground and defending their views or rights, but without resorting to physical/verbal/social violence or indecency. This is something totally absent from many movements and persons that claim to defend peoples' rights and to push for progress in society. Coherence, an open mind, objectivity, honesty and a thick skin is important; these are all virtues. But people behave as if being denigrated or verbally attacked by a fool was the end of the world.

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      clerical_terrors Link Parent
      I agree, in fact I'm already getting a little six of the discourse surrounding this whole affair. It really does not deserve the amount of attention it's been getting, it really isn't that big of...

      I agree, in fact I'm already getting a little six of the discourse surrounding this whole affair. It really does not deserve the amount of attention it's been getting, it really isn't that big of an issue in and of itself.

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      1. jgb Link Parent
        Yeah, I have faith that the core maintainers have the good sense to stand in the way of anyone trying to leverage this CoC in an overreaching or unfair way - by which I mean, if and when the...

        Yeah, I have faith that the core maintainers have the good sense to stand in the way of anyone trying to leverage this CoC in an overreaching or unfair way - by which I mean, if and when the tech-left start calling for people to be excluded from kernel development on the basis of political opinions stated outside of the kernel community. Taken at face value it is a good thing for the Linux community.

        6 votes