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BlizzCon 2019 Opening Ceremony

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  1. [13]
    dubteedub
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    Man, the announcement cinematic for Diablo 4 is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=552&v=aJqEJL-JVkc Polygon is reporting that the game is returning to its darker, gorier roots...

    Man, the announcement cinematic for Diablo 4 is awesome.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=552&v=aJqEJL-JVkc

    Polygon is reporting that the game is returning to its darker, gorier roots which I am all for.

    https://www.polygon.com/2019/11/1/20942471/diablo-4-blizzard-blizzcon-release-date-announcement


    Here is the Overwatch 2 announcement as well. While I have not played any Overwatch before, you gotta admit the cinematics for Blizzard games are really well done.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXS_YA9s7E

    5 votes
    1. [11]
      reese
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      Here's Diablo 4 gameplay footage linked in the Polygon article. And based on what I'm seeing, this greentext appears increasingly accurate. For example: Yeah, we only saw three classes in the...

      Here's Diablo 4 gameplay footage linked in the Polygon article.

      And based on what I'm seeing, this greentext appears increasingly accurate. For example:

      3 classes at launch, 5 planned as part of paid seasonal paid [sic] content updates.

      Yeah, we only saw three classes in the video, didn't we?

      The announcement cinematic lays on siding with the baddies (demons) pretty thick. Again, I refer to the greentext:

      Game involves siding with the demons as, after a millennia of peace, the angels are now an authoritarian, all controlling regime who once again want to purge sanctuary . . . They [sic] tagline being workshopped is "Let out your inner demons" as the "ult" mechanic from overwatch . . .

      I'm not critiquing the story direction (seems fine) so much as I am pointing out that the greentext is mostly on-point. It's stated that the bulk of development didn't ramp up until the do-you-guys-not-have-phones debacle, which would explain why the supposed crunch on the game is so remarkably terrible. I can't see how there could be this much passable gameplay footage without crunch.

      One place where the greentext is super wrong is the claim that Diablo 4 is first-person. Uhh, no? But for all we know, it could have been first-person earlier in development. Halo: Combat Evolved, for example, was originally conceptualized as more of a third-person RTS, and then ended up being an FPS later. It is more plausible, though, that Diablo 4 has first-person, real-time cinematics.

      All unsubstantiated claims made on cesspool websites aside, I'm torn about Diablo 4. Does it look/feel more like Diablo 3 should have? For sure. But that also kind of pisses me off. Why should the fans have to kick and scream to get the attention of Blizzard's shareholders? The customers should have already been dictating the terms. Personally, I think Blizzard will make Diablo 4 diablo enough in promos to hook nostalgic fans, but I doubt it's a standard they'll hold to for the duration of the game, at least not without gimmicks. There are many other reasons I need not enumerate to be mad at Blizzard, so I'm not preordering this game. Maybe I'll buy the game after it comes out, assuming Blizzard's behavior changes for the better.

      5 votes
      1. [5]
        Loire
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        I'm not trying to take anything away from the greentext leak but nothing in that trailer implied authoritarian angels, nor "teaming up with demons". It looked like Diablo 2 with a better engine...

        I'm not trying to take anything away from the greentext leak but nothing in that trailer implied authoritarian angels, nor "teaming up with demons". It looked like Diablo 2 with a better engine and an uber freaky villain (seriously that blood cape was Diablo 1 turned to 11).

        5 votes
        1. [4]
          reese
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          In the trailer, only three individuals with "willing blood" could summon Lilith. The only character in the trailer that we could empathize with, since he wasn't a cutthroat, yielded to a demon in...

          In the trailer, only three individuals with "willing blood" could summon Lilith. The only character in the trailer that we could empathize with, since he wasn't a cutthroat, yielded to a demon in the search of knowledge. Also, the narrator of the gameplay footage trailer goes out of his way to emphasize that the realm is "full of hatred." And we already observed in Diablo 3 that the angels were rather authoritarian aside from Tyrael. Remember this?

          So, to me, the greentext, while not 100% accurate, is probably still useful to help set expectations.

          3 votes
          1. [3]
            Loire
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            Just one correction: That wasn't a demon. That was Rathma, first born of the Nephelem, the proto-race that eventually devolved into humans.

            yielded to a demon in the search of knowledge.

            Just one correction: That wasn't a demon. That was Rathma, first born of the Nephelem, the proto-race that eventually devolved into humans.

            3 votes
            1. [2]
              reese
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              Oh, I didn't realize that. Then the subtext of including Rathma in this trailer as a pivotal character, who has an angel for a father and a demon for a mother, may further point to the...

              Oh, I didn't realize that.

              Then the subtext of including Rathma in this trailer as a pivotal character, who has an angel for a father and a demon for a mother, may further point to the aforementioned, speculative boundary crossing on the player's part (effectively siding with demons which may be hinted by the fact that Rathma is summoning his mother). But I don't know. We'll see.

              Edit: I read more about Lilith, and realized that she had been banished specifically into the Void. From the greentext (may contain spoilers):

              Ending cutscene shows all 4 games have been a set up, Diablo was a good guy all along finding the strongest nephelim [sic] to prepare for an invasion from "The Void".

              Hmm.

              3 votes
              1. Loire
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                Ya the green text certainly hasn't been wrong yet. I'm just still at the stage where it's not quite gospel yet.

                Ya the green text certainly hasn't been wrong yet. I'm just still at the stage where it's not quite gospel yet.

                2 votes
      2. moocow1452
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        Greentext didn't bring up Hearthstone Battlegrounds though, that probably would have come up if he was in the loop on that in particular.

        Greentext didn't bring up Hearthstone Battlegrounds though, that probably would have come up if he was in the loop on that in particular.

        2 votes
      3. [3]
        Bullmaestro
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        That greentext is very obviously fake drivel that someone wrote to rile up the 4chan demographic. Just look at all the rants about "outrage culture" in the Overwatch 2 segment.

        That greentext is very obviously fake drivel that someone wrote to rile up the 4chan demographic. Just look at all the rants about "outrage culture" in the Overwatch 2 segment.

        1. reese
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          Hollywood has produced exploitation films for years, so I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to exploit people's emotions regarding current cultural trends for money, namely because they're the kind of...

          Hollywood has produced exploitation films for years, so I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to exploit people's emotions regarding current cultural trends for money, namely because they're the kind of company that would do that. After all, Overwatch very much popularized the loot box mechanic, which was lifted from Team Fortress 2. Embedding this into the core product, rather than keeping such emotional appeals limited to advertising as many companies do, makes me feel nauseated.

          Anyway, the greentext may be "fake drivel that someone wrote to rile up the 4chan demographic," but it's not obvious to me that it is, probably because it's eerily correct in a few places. And if that "correctness" arose out of baseless, cynical guesses about Blizzard's direction, then that is useful information. I'm speculating about a video game company's closed-door plans here, not conducting a science experiment. And it's not like I can waltz into Blizzard's office and ask them anything without signing a legally binding NDA, so all we can do is wait and see. If it turns out we can constantly just assume the worst of Blizzard's intentions, then that in itself should inform our purchasing decisions.

          The reactionary skeptic's take applied here misses the point that if some random asshole on 4chan can just guess with a surprising degree of accuracy what Blizzard is planning, then we should really consider suppressing our nostalgia for Diablo 4.

          1 vote
        2. babypuncher
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          Everything about it read like a 4chan wet dream of reasons to hate any company. The poster was clearly an alt-right nutjob. The only part of his "leak" that came to fruition was the claim that...

          Everything about it read like a 4chan wet dream of reasons to hate any company. The poster was clearly an alt-right nutjob. The only part of his "leak" that came to fruition was the claim that Overwatch 2 was co-op PvE, which had already been rumored since Junkenstein 2016. He also claimed Diablo 4 was a looter shooter, which it clearly isn't.

      4. babypuncher
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        Didn't the greentext also say that D4 would be a looter-shooter or am I thinking of a different "leak"?

        Didn't the greentext also say that D4 would be a looter-shooter or am I thinking of a different "leak"?

    2. babypuncher
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      I'm convinced that the only reason Blizzard makes games is as an excuse to make shorts like these every few years.

      I'm convinced that the only reason Blizzard makes games is as an excuse to make shorts like these every few years.

      2 votes
  2. [2]
    LukeZaz
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    I'll be honest, I haven't paid attention to much beyond the Hearthstone announcements, but I really can't bring myself to actually care about anything being presented here. It's granted that I...

    I'll be honest, I haven't paid attention to much beyond the Hearthstone announcements, but I really can't bring myself to actually care about anything being presented here. It's granted that I mostly only follow Hearthstone developments as is – I stopped caring about Overwatch and WoW years ago, and Diablo never appealed to me – but even then, despite the fact that this coming expansion to HS has some of the most meaningful (albeit insanely power-creeped) content the game has seen in years, I still can't care for it.

    The game finally got a new gamemode, will give away 5 free legendaries on expac launch, and has finally got reasonably valuable pre-order bundles that don't look like ripoffs. But even with all of that, I'm still pissed. With how Activision/Blizzard has been the past year, I cannot possibly justify spending any money on any of this.

    I know J. Allen Brack made an apology as one of the first things in Blizzcon, but until I see actual actions to back it up, that apology is completely worthless to me. Acti/Blizz is still the company that fired HotS eSports staff out-of-the-blue right before Christmas, still the company that responded to record profits with mass layoffs, and still the company that banned a player for supporting Hong Kong just so they could keep profiting from China.

    I just can't forgive them.

    4 votes
    1. babypuncher
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      I'm curious what the fan reaction would be if they suspended a player for endorsing a political opinion more controversial in the west. If, for example, Blitzchung yelled out "abortion is murder"...

      I'm curious what the fan reaction would be if they suspended a player for endorsing a political opinion more controversial in the west. If, for example, Blitzchung yelled out "abortion is murder" or "black lives matter".

      Wanting to maintain civility at these events is a good reason to discourage political discourse, given how obnoxiously toxic these topics inevitably become. I take a much bigger issue with the severity of Blizzard's reaction to this particular instance and their obvious kowtowing to the PRC than I do with the idea of them enforcing this policy.

      2 votes