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Kickstarter Arena FPS Diabotical is now an Epic exclusive

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  1. LukeZaz
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    (Disclaimer: I had not heard of this game until now) I recognize they're offering refunds, and I recognize the huge boon this is for the developer and likely the game, but I just can't help but...

    (Disclaimer: I had not heard of this game until now)

    I recognize they're offering refunds, and I recognize the huge boon this is for the developer and likely the game, but I just can't help but feel miffed anytime I see a crowdsourced game take an exclusivity deal. Just feels like a slap in the face to those who backed it with different expectations.

    Ah well, so far looks like things are working out for both the dev & community, so hopefully that continues.

    11 votes
  2. [13]
    native_belle
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    Kinda surprised to see a niche multiplayer game getting a big exclusivity deal. The reasoning for the studio taking it makes enough sense to me, although I'm still not enthusiastic about it...

    Kinda surprised to see a niche multiplayer game getting a big exclusivity deal. The reasoning for the studio taking it makes enough sense to me, although I'm still not enthusiastic about it requiring the Epic launcher.
    It's the only KS I've ever backed, but I'm happy that the studio now has enough funding to support the whole dev team for a couple years and release the game for free.

    6 votes
    1. [12]
      0lpbm
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      I'm actually pretty bummed out. I'm not sure what the status is on linux to use SteamPlay for the Epic store games but I'm sure it's not very good. I wish 2GD the best of luck, and I hope that the...

      I'm actually pretty bummed out. I'm not sure what the status is on linux to use SteamPlay for the Epic store games but I'm sure it's not very good.

      I wish 2GD the best of luck, and I hope that the gray hairs he gained past 4 years are going to be worth it, but I guess I'll invest my time in Quake Champions.

      4 votes
      1. [8]
        lionirdeadman
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        Lutris (Lutris.net) supports the Epic store launcher, not sure about the situation with regards to Steamplay / Proton but I wouldn't install it through Steam, that seems like giving yourself a...

        Lutris (Lutris.net) supports the Epic store launcher, not sure about the situation with regards to Steamplay / Proton but I wouldn't install it through Steam, that seems like giving yourself a hard time more than anything.

        Honestly, I'd be more scared about the DRM or Anti-cheat solution they'll use with regards to compatibility.

        (Now, the politics of the Epic store are another thing but from a technical standpoint it's probably just as likely to work)

        5 votes
        1. [7]
          HanakoIsBestGirl
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          Puts on conspiracy hat The Epic Games Store works well under Lutris because Epic donated $25K to Lutris.

          Puts on conspiracy hat

          The Epic Games Store works well under Lutris because Epic donated $25K to Lutris.

          2 votes
          1. [2]
            lionirdeadman
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            Actually, it's the opposite and you don't need a conspiracy hat for it. Lutris made Epic Games work, showed it off on Twitter while mentioning Tim and Tim suggested that they apply for the Epic...

            Actually, it's the opposite and you don't need a conspiracy hat for it.

            Lutris made Epic Games work, showed it off on Twitter while mentioning Tim and Tim suggested that they apply for the Epic megagrants program as shown here : https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1118757975529803778

            7 votes
          2. [4]
            moocow1452
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            That seems like the start of a Galaxy Brain Meme Template where the next one down is "Epic donated $25K to Lutris because The Epic Games Store works well under Lutris." Next one is something about...

            That seems like the start of a Galaxy Brain Meme Template where the next one down is "Epic donated $25K to Lutris because The Epic Games Store works well under Lutris." Next one is something about China.

            3 votes
            1. [3]
              HanakoIsBestGirl
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              imagine the drake meme template thingo Drake not like thing Making a native GNU/Linux client Drake like thing Funding development of compatibility software so that you don't have to make a...

              imagine the drake meme template thingo

              Drake not like thing Making a native GNU/Linux client
              Drake like thing Funding development of compatibility software so that you don't have to make a separate client

              Yes I just made a meme in a table, shutup. Also yes it's a bad meme, also please label as joke because it is.

              E: Next level would be to only distribute the Epic store only for GNU/Linux and require Window people to come up with their own compatibility layer.

              7 votes
              1. [2]
                moocow1452
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                Embedded table memes. This is a revelation...

                Embedded table memes. This is a revelation...

                6 votes
                1. HanakoIsBestGirl
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                  It saves on bandwidth not having to load any images. It's.. uhh... minimalist. I think at this point an offtopic label is also warranted :)

                  It saves on bandwidth not having to load any images. It's.. uhh... minimalist.

                  I think at this point an offtopic label is also warranted :)

                  7 votes
      2. [3]
        ThatFanficGuy
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        I saw "2GD" and thought "What the hell? That Dota 2 presenter that Gabe Newell called an ass?". Yep, that's him. He's on the subreddit's mod team, under /u/2GD. Here is his reply on /r/Dota2 about...

        I saw "2GD" and thought "What the hell? That Dota 2 presenter that Gabe Newell called an ass?".

        Yep, that's him. He's on the subreddit's mod team, under /u/2GD. Here is his reply on /r/Dota2 about the whole mess he was in with Valve and Dota 2.

        Well, damn. Seems like the man didn't fall through the floor after that.

        2 votes
        1. 0lpbm
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          2GD was an e-sports personality long before Dota 2 and The International being a thing. He was part of the Quake pro scene, part of the Starcraft scene for a bit, and as far as I know his persona...

          2GD was an e-sports personality long before Dota 2 and The International being a thing. He was part of the Quake pro scene, part of the Starcraft scene for a bit, and as far as I know his persona was always hard to swallow unless taken with a really high dose of sense of humour. :)

          2 votes
  3. [5]
    HanakoIsBestGirl
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    I'm anti-Epic mostly because of Tencent. However I also take issue with the immorality of micro-transactions and addiction mechanics in games clearly aimed at kids (Fortnite) (yes I know Epic...

    I'm anti-Epic mostly because of Tencent. However I also take issue with the immorality of micro-transactions and addiction mechanics in games clearly aimed at kids (Fortnite) (yes I know Epic aren't the only ones to do this). As well as the lack of support for GNU/Linux.

    I have no real allegiance towards Steam, so I'm not asking for a steam exclusive here either. Ideally all games would release on a whole bunch of platforms (like GOG, itch, uplay, origin etc)

    When this happens and I want to play the game, the only way for me to do it without giving Epic money is to "yarr harr fiddle dee dee" it. (Or I could play something else) (Or wait for the game to come out of some other store). Although it seems that this game will not come out on Steam ever according to the Reddit post and that it will be free to play and online, so perhaps my piracy point doesn't really apply here.

    I understand why the devs did this, given that they originally were on Kickstarter, but this is certainly not something I will be playing, and if I had originally backed this game on Kickstarter, I would definitely be after a refund.

    4 votes
    1. [4]
      lionirdeadman
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      Personally, I'd say the same even though my allegiance clearly stands with Steam because of the work they do on GNU/Linux. Whether it's their work towards getting AMD to open their drivers, their...

      I have no real allegiance towards Steam, so I'm not asking for a steam exclusive here either. Ideally all games would release on a whole bunch of platforms (like GOG, itch, uplay, origin etc)

      Personally, I'd say the same even though my allegiance clearly stands with Steam because of the work they do on GNU/Linux. Whether it's their work towards getting AMD to open their drivers, their work on their drivers and making the shader compiler much better (ACO). Or whether it's their funding of WINE, DXVK and D9VK (which they want to get better for use in Proton which is also pretty sweet). Oh yeah, they also work on the kernel sometimes like when they added case-insensitiveness in there. Pretty good stuff that I like.

      Sure, they do have issues regarding privacy and I don't want them to have a monopoly but no other store treats Linux quite as good as Steam does.

      4 votes
      1. [3]
        HanakoIsBestGirl
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        Fair enough. I'd say the main reason that I don't stand just with Steam (even though I really do like the work they put into GNU/Linux) is that GOG is DRM free, and I'd rather toy around in wine...

        Fair enough. I'd say the main reason that I don't stand just with Steam (even though I really do like the work they put into GNU/Linux) is that GOG is DRM free, and I'd rather toy around in wine for a bit and have no DRM (+ I can always run the game under proton if I add it to steam + some GOG games are native anyway, even if the client is not).

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          lionirdeadman
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          Well, yeah, that's certainly nice but GOG doesn't seem to care, they don't provide a runtime for developers, nor a client for users, you kinda just happen to have linux binaries if you're lucky....

          Well, yeah, that's certainly nice but GOG doesn't seem to care, they don't provide a runtime for developers, nor a client for users, you kinda just happen to have linux binaries if you're lucky. And well, by buying on GOG and using Steam, Valve isn't magically getting money to continue their efforts. I suppose different priorities.

          2 votes
          1. HanakoIsBestGirl
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            Different priorities indeed. I really want to support the DRM free movement and I've had good luck with wine so far. But it isnt like I dont buy things on Steam, they have a much larger library of...

            Different priorities indeed. I really want to support the DRM free movement and I've had good luck with wine so far. But it isnt like I dont buy things on Steam, they have a much larger library of games than GOG, so it isnt like I dont give them money for their efforts on proton.

            1 vote
  4. rmgr
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    I mean as much as I'm not interested in using the Epic Store on the grounds that it doesn't do anything Steam can't, I understand the logic here. Epic wants to start running e-Sports tournaments....

    I mean as much as I'm not interested in using the Epic Store on the grounds that it doesn't do anything Steam can't, I understand the logic here. Epic wants to start running e-Sports tournaments. The devs need e-Sports tournaments for the game to have any longevity (niche arena shooters rarely survive that long).

    1 vote