Oh? Like Wealth redistribution? Abolishing classes? !!! That’s not extreme !!! That’s literally the bare minimum of democratic participation in US politics. Just….. what? I feel like I’m taking...
In San Antonio, Sergio Mata, a 31-year-old artist, said he was shocked when Texas passed a ban on abortion in 2021, and by how much anti-abortion sentiment he suddenly heard around him. As a gay man and the American-born son of Mexican immigrants, he fears that gay rights will be reversed and birthright citizenship will be taken away
He considers himself a Democrat, but the overturning of Roe, he said, “pushed me to be more extreme,” he said.
Oh? Like Wealth redistribution? Abolishing classes?
That meant paying more attention to the news and voting in the midterm elections for the first time.
!!! That’s not extreme !!!
That’s literally the bare minimum of democratic participation in US politics.
Just….. what? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when someone’s “I’m going extreme and hardcore!!!” is… doing the least amount possible while still participating within national politics.
Like gee, what’s next for this guy, paying attention to local elections?
I know I shouldn’t pan him too much but I’m just astounded at that paragraph. I’m in my 30s and I’m wracking my head on how I’m supposed to receive/interpret Mr. Mata’s world shattering revelation. Is it “I’m so very tired”? Because not even a participation prize can salve my exasperation at the willful false pride of “I don’t pay attention to politics” as if it makes those who do magically impotent (and not actually successful in taking power and ruining shit for women and minorities).
Some good news for a change. This is actually pretty surprising to me. Perhaps I'm too jaded but the way I've seen the effects of these laws in the past is the the public started internalizing and...
Some good news for a change.
This is actually pretty surprising to me. Perhaps I'm too jaded but the way I've seen the effects of these laws in the past is the the public started internalizing and justifying those laws. Encouraging to see it generated the opposite effect.
I think there's a few reasons why this is the case. For one, prior to the overturning of Roe the concept of abortion in American media and politics was largely abstract. There's a quote from a...
I think there's a few reasons why this is the case. For one, prior to the overturning of Roe the concept of abortion in American media and politics was largely abstract. There's a quote from a Methodist pastor where he argues that "'The unborn' are a convenient group of people to advocate for" because they can't articulate for themselves. But in the past year America has been inundated with women expressing their very real suffering because of their lack of reproductive health care. And it's not just liberal women; bans have affected people from all walks of life.
There's a great article entitled "The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion" which talks about strongly anti-choice activists getting abortions before going straight back to protesting abortion clinics. In their minds, they were getting abortions for 'good' reasons while the imagined pro-choice woman was getting abortions as birth control or just because they felt like it. When the reversal of Roe was still theoretical, it was easy for these women to imagine that abortion bans wouldn't affect them but having very real laws in place which affect all women seeking reproductive healthcare make it much harder to maintain the fallacy.
Abortion bans have also given very real and compelling evidence to support the pro-choice argument that abortion is healthcare. When bans (or bans after six weeks, which amount to the same thing) result in women having to endure miscarriages without medication, give birth to fetuses which have no chance of life, or be denied care for life-threatening ectopic pregnancies, it can make people realise how vital abortion is for all women.
I'm very glad to see that the US as a whole is seemingly leaning more to the pro abortion-side now than it was just last year, but I still find it quite shocking to read about the draconian laws...
I'm very glad to see that the US as a whole is seemingly leaning more to the pro abortion-side now than it was just last year, but I still find it quite shocking to read about the draconian laws that have been passed in various states on this. I sincerely hope that you guys don't stop fighting this.
It's almost difficult to properly sympathise with; I just cannot imagine this even being up for discussion in matter of law in my area of the world because of how obvious the right to have an abortion is.
More people are starting to be personally affected I believe. For example, you could be completely against abortion, then your pregnancy or stillbirth starts threatening your life and you find out...
More people are starting to be personally affected I believe. For example, you could be completely against abortion, then your pregnancy or stillbirth starts threatening your life and you find out no healthcare provider will provide immediate assistance (potentially life-saving care) because they're scared of potential legal consequences.
So I'm an american news junky and my perspective on abortion laws has definitely shifted since the Dobbs decision, even though I always thought the Roe compromise was a good basic law. I thought I...
So I'm an american news junky and my perspective on abortion laws has definitely shifted since the Dobbs decision, even though I always thought the Roe compromise was a good basic law. I thought I was reasonably well informed about medicine for a non professional, but I was definitely not aware of all the medical indications for abortion and abortion drugs that have now been cut off in conservative states.
By enacting these prohibitions, conservative politicians have demonstrated that nuance and exceptions that you might allow for or expect in a philosophical argument about abortion, do not actually apply when laws are enacted. These politicians have taken their direction from fanatics. They have failed to do the minimum due diligence in terms of expert testimony that you would expect when writing legislation that immediately impacts health and safety. I think a politically significant number of people who casually opposed abortion are facing certain cases and thinking, wait, I didn't mean like that.
These examples and many more show the real impact of these laws on human lives and women's fertility and we as americans are having our noses rubbed in it by the news.
This is because most of these GOP voters believe in the Shirley Exception (origin). So when the consequences of their own beliefs come to bite them personally in the ass, you get articles like the...
So when the consequences of their own beliefs come to bite them personally in the ass, you get articles like the OP post with usually Republican women going “Oh no! This is too inflexible and unjust!”.
But, but, but, have you noticed that these people nearly always are “I suffered $issue from my $politics personally and now that it affects me, I’m changing my mind.”
They refuse to consider the consequences of their own beliefs towards others, only themselves. A deeply perverse narcissistic behavior that is abhorrent and destructive.
I think the removal of Roe indeed woke a lot of people up. It got us talking about the benefits of having the choice of a safe and legal abortion. Because let's be real - the only people this...
I think the removal of Roe indeed woke a lot of people up. It got us talking about the benefits of having the choice of a safe and legal abortion. Because let's be real - the only people this hurts are those who live in a shitty uncivilized state and can't afford to travel to a safe haven state for the procedure.
Isn't trying to paint democrats as extremists when they're not actually extremists just a form of straight up lying? And if you can't win an election without lying, wouldn't changing your policy...
Republicans, she said, have to paint Democratic candidates as the extremists on abortion: “If they don’t, they may very well lose.”
Isn't trying to paint democrats as extremists when they're not actually extremists just a form of straight up lying? And if you can't win an election without lying, wouldn't changing your policy positions to something better than what the other side offers be the ethical solution? Why is it considered okay to lie your way into office? In a true democracy, people vote for the politicians whose policy they like better. If they (the people) become maliciously misinformed about what one of those policies actually is, then can we really consider that a "fair" election?
I think we're so used to politicians and their respective parties lying that we don't even bat an eye when they openly admit to being purposefully dishonest.
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Oh? Like Wealth redistribution? Abolishing classes?
!!! That’s not extreme !!!
That’s literally the bare minimum of democratic participation in US politics.
Just….. what? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when someone’s “I’m going extreme and hardcore!!!” is… doing the least amount possible while still participating within national politics.
Like gee, what’s next for this guy, paying attention to local elections?
I know I shouldn’t pan him too much but I’m just astounded at that paragraph. I’m in my 30s and I’m wracking my head on how I’m supposed to receive/interpret Mr. Mata’s world shattering revelation. Is it “I’m so very tired”? Because not even a participation prize can salve my exasperation at the willful false pride of “I don’t pay attention to politics” as if it makes those who do magically impotent (and not actually successful in taking power and ruining shit for women and minorities).
Some good news for a change.
This is actually pretty surprising to me. Perhaps I'm too jaded but the way I've seen the effects of these laws in the past is the the public started internalizing and justifying those laws. Encouraging to see it generated the opposite effect.
I think there's a few reasons why this is the case. For one, prior to the overturning of Roe the concept of abortion in American media and politics was largely abstract. There's a quote from a Methodist pastor where he argues that "'The unborn' are a convenient group of people to advocate for" because they can't articulate for themselves. But in the past year America has been inundated with women expressing their very real suffering because of their lack of reproductive health care. And it's not just liberal women; bans have affected people from all walks of life.
There's a great article entitled "The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion" which talks about strongly anti-choice activists getting abortions before going straight back to protesting abortion clinics. In their minds, they were getting abortions for 'good' reasons while the imagined pro-choice woman was getting abortions as birth control or just because they felt like it. When the reversal of Roe was still theoretical, it was easy for these women to imagine that abortion bans wouldn't affect them but having very real laws in place which affect all women seeking reproductive healthcare make it much harder to maintain the fallacy.
Abortion bans have also given very real and compelling evidence to support the pro-choice argument that abortion is healthcare. When bans (or bans after six weeks, which amount to the same thing) result in women having to endure miscarriages without medication, give birth to fetuses which have no chance of life, or be denied care for life-threatening ectopic pregnancies, it can make people realise how vital abortion is for all women.
I'm very glad to see that the US as a whole is seemingly leaning more to the pro abortion-side now than it was just last year, but I still find it quite shocking to read about the draconian laws that have been passed in various states on this. I sincerely hope that you guys don't stop fighting this.
It's almost difficult to properly sympathise with; I just cannot imagine this even being up for discussion in matter of law in my area of the world because of how obvious the right to have an abortion is.
More people are starting to be personally affected I believe. For example, you could be completely against abortion, then your pregnancy or stillbirth starts threatening your life and you find out no healthcare provider will provide immediate assistance (potentially life-saving care) because they're scared of potential legal consequences.
So I'm an american news junky and my perspective on abortion laws has definitely shifted since the Dobbs decision, even though I always thought the Roe compromise was a good basic law. I thought I was reasonably well informed about medicine for a non professional, but I was definitely not aware of all the medical indications for abortion and abortion drugs that have now been cut off in conservative states.
By enacting these prohibitions, conservative politicians have demonstrated that nuance and exceptions that you might allow for or expect in a philosophical argument about abortion, do not actually apply when laws are enacted. These politicians have taken their direction from fanatics. They have failed to do the minimum due diligence in terms of expert testimony that you would expect when writing legislation that immediately impacts health and safety. I think a politically significant number of people who casually opposed abortion are facing certain cases and thinking, wait, I didn't mean like that.
These examples and many more show the real impact of these laws on human lives and women's fertility and we as americans are having our noses rubbed in it by the news.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/indiana-doctor-faces-discipline-hearing-over-abortion-for-10-year-old-rape-survivor
https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sepsis-life-saving-abortion-care-texas/story?id=99294313
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio
https://www.fox8live.com/2023/05/16/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-measures-aimed-clarifying-medical-exceptions-abortion-ban/
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/11/04/obstetrician-ohio-abortion-law-stymies-doctors-endangers-patients/
This is because most of these GOP voters believe in the Shirley Exception (origin).
So when the consequences of their own beliefs come to bite them personally in the ass, you get articles like the OP post with usually Republican women going “Oh no! This is too inflexible and unjust!”.
But, but, but, have you noticed that these people nearly always are “I suffered $issue from my $politics personally and now that it affects me, I’m changing my mind.”
They refuse to consider the consequences of their own beliefs towards others, only themselves. A deeply perverse narcissistic behavior that is abhorrent and destructive.
The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion
I think the removal of Roe indeed woke a lot of people up. It got us talking about the benefits of having the choice of a safe and legal abortion. Because let's be real - the only people this hurts are those who live in a shitty uncivilized state and can't afford to travel to a safe haven state for the procedure.
Isn't trying to paint democrats as extremists when they're not actually extremists just a form of straight up lying? And if you can't win an election without lying, wouldn't changing your policy positions to something better than what the other side offers be the ethical solution? Why is it considered okay to lie your way into office? In a true democracy, people vote for the politicians whose policy they like better. If they (the people) become maliciously misinformed about what one of those policies actually is, then can we really consider that a "fair" election?
I think we're so used to politicians and their respective parties lying that we don't even bat an eye when they openly admit to being purposefully dishonest.
IMO, if you speak in your capacity as an elected official you should be implicitly under oath with the full weight of perjury laws backing it.