this is one of those things where it seems really obvious that the status quo should not be what it currently is, but where the law also hasn't exactly caught up to reflect that. i imagine that...
this is one of those things where it seems really obvious that the status quo should not be what it currently is, but where the law also hasn't exactly caught up to reflect that. i imagine that this will continue to be addressed in state legislatures, but it also really seems like it should really never be happening to begin with?
Ugh. This actually made my stomach churn as I read it. How in the world did this get normalized? What caused people to think this was a practice that ever would be acceptable? Edit: churn not chortle
Ugh. This actually made my stomach churn as I read it. How in the world did this get normalized? What caused people to think this was a practice that ever would be acceptable?
Well... It's complicated. Not defending this practice, but patient bodies are seen as "objects to be fixed", especially in a fast-paced learning hospital. We need to train doctors for all...
Well...
It's complicated. Not defending this practice, but patient bodies are seen as "objects to be fixed", especially in a fast-paced learning hospital.
We need to train doctors for all procedures they may have to do, and every chance to train them is taken, even pelvic exams on unconscious patients, or oral exams on the same. We don't really understand how anesthesia even works, but when someone is under, "All non-invasive" procedures are considered "ok".
Non-invasive is even a loaded term here. Anything not using drugs or a scalpel is non-invasive, but is it? Is that really then be-all, end-all of what is invasive or not?
I get the reasoning, but it doesn't make it right. But, how do we ensure every doctor leaving residency, and becoming attendings actually knows how to do all the procedures expected? Interns and residents are caught between a rock and hard place here.
Ask. If the article's to be believed, most people would consent to it if they were actually asked about it first. Another thing mentioned is that some use paid volunteers.
Ask. If the article's to be believed, most people would consent to it if they were actually asked about it first. Another thing mentioned is that some use paid volunteers.
I agree... Asking is probably the way to fix it, most easily. I mean there is so much "wrong" with learning institutions these days too. I mean rounds are pretty dehumanizing when you think about...
I agree... Asking is probably the way to fix it, most easily. I mean there is so much "wrong" with learning institutions these days too. I mean rounds are pretty dehumanizing when you think about every patient's illness being on display for a dozen or so strangers, every morning.
this is one of those things where it seems really obvious that the status quo should not be what it currently is, but where the law also hasn't exactly caught up to reflect that. i imagine that this will continue to be addressed in state legislatures, but it also really seems like it should really never be happening to begin with?
Ugh. This actually made my stomach churn as I read it. How in the world did this get normalized? What caused people to think this was a practice that ever would be acceptable?
Edit: churn not chortle
Well...
It's complicated. Not defending this practice, but patient bodies are seen as "objects to be fixed", especially in a fast-paced learning hospital.
We need to train doctors for all procedures they may have to do, and every chance to train them is taken, even pelvic exams on unconscious patients, or oral exams on the same. We don't really understand how anesthesia even works, but when someone is under, "All non-invasive" procedures are considered "ok".
Non-invasive is even a loaded term here. Anything not using drugs or a scalpel is non-invasive, but is it? Is that really then be-all, end-all of what is invasive or not?
I get the reasoning, but it doesn't make it right. But, how do we ensure every doctor leaving residency, and becoming attendings actually knows how to do all the procedures expected? Interns and residents are caught between a rock and hard place here.
Ask. If the article's to be believed, most people would consent to it if they were actually asked about it first. Another thing mentioned is that some use paid volunteers.
I agree... Asking is probably the way to fix it, most easily. I mean there is so much "wrong" with learning institutions these days too. I mean rounds are pretty dehumanizing when you think about every patient's illness being on display for a dozen or so strangers, every morning.