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Catholic Church has lost more members than any other religion in the US

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  1. clerical_terrors
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    Hasn't there traditionally been skepticism towards the Catholic church in the US? The fact that John F Kennedy was a Catholic is still a talking point.

    Hasn't there traditionally been skepticism towards the Catholic church in the US? The fact that John F Kennedy was a Catholic is still a talking point.

    3 votes
  2. [12]
    haykam821
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    This is just a showerthought, but isn't that title granted to atheism? Your brain isn't preloaded with any Christianity or anything like that, so it just defaults to Godless mode. When you pick up...

    This is just a showerthought, but isn't that title granted to atheism? Your brain isn't preloaded with any Christianity or anything like that, so it just defaults to Godless mode. When you pick up a religion, you lose the atheism, and quite a lot of people are religious, so quite a lot of people stopped being atheist?

    I'm sorry for rambling on like this... I'll stop now.

    1 vote
    1. Algernon_Asimov
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      The article specifically and repeatedly refers to adults. When it talks about the number of Catholics decreasing, it means the number of Catholic adults are decreasing.

      The article specifically and repeatedly refers to adults. When it talks about the number of Catholics decreasing, it means the number of Catholic adults are decreasing.

      8 votes
    2. Diet_Coke
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      A lot of people are indoctrinated before it really becomes a choice. I think the default is whatever your parents are, with caveates for multi-faith and non-practicing families.

      A lot of people are indoctrinated before it really becomes a choice. I think the default is whatever your parents are, with caveates for multi-faith and non-practicing families.

      5 votes
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      Nmg
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      Atheism isn't a religion. And I wouldn't call children necessarily "Godless," but I think it's splitting hairs. Children are developing humans, so unless you want to qualify some of them as "Santa...

      Atheism isn't a religion.

      And I wouldn't call children necessarily "Godless," but I think it's splitting hairs. Children are developing humans, so unless you want to qualify some of them as "Santa Clausologists," in this context, I don't think it's really worth counting what they believe.

      2 votes
      1. [6]
        Algernon_Asimov
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        I like splitting hairs! If a child has no belief in a god, how is that not the child being "godless"?

        And I wouldn't call children necessarily "Godless," but I think it's splitting hairs.

        I like splitting hairs! If a child has no belief in a god, how is that not the child being "godless"?

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          Nmg
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          Because children can believe in God, even if they haven't necessarily explored the extent of their beliefs.

          Because children can believe in God, even if they haven't necessarily explored the extent of their beliefs.

          2 votes
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            Algernon_Asimov
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            But what if a child does not believe in God? Could that child be considered "godless"?

            But what if a child does not believe in God? Could that child be considered "godless"?

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              Nmg
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              yes, I suppose you could say that, depending on what you mean. I think it is important to note however, that there is a difference between being aware of an ideology and not believing in it, and...

              yes, I suppose you could say that, depending on what you mean.

              I think it is important to note however, that there is a difference between being aware of an ideology and not believing in it, and not being aware of an ideology.

              Children belong in the latter category, atheists in the former.

              1 vote
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                Algernon_Asimov
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                So, to you, an atheist is not just any person who lacks a belief in god, it's someone who has decided not to believe in god - is that right? Therefore, someone raised in an isolated tribe in the...

                So, to you, an atheist is not just any person who lacks a belief in god, it's someone who has decided not to believe in god - is that right?

                Therefore, someone raised in an isolated tribe in the Amazon forest with no knowledge of Christianity is not an atheist. They're just not aware of an ideology. Are they "godless"?

                What if someone is aware of Christianity and doesn't believe in it, but is not aware of Sikhism? Both religions believe in a god, but our non-believer is aware of the Christian god and is not aware of the Sikh god. Is this person an atheist? Are they godless?

                What about if it's the other way around: they're aware of the Sikh god but don't believe in it, and are not aware of the Christian god? Is this person an atheist? Are they godless?

                And, what about me? I was never raised religiously. I was aware that Christianity existed, but it never really impinged on my life. By the time I grew old enough to really understand what Christianity is, I was already predisposed towards a non-religious philosophy. I never rejected Christianity, I just didn't accept it - along with any other religion I've ever read about. Am I an atheist? Am I godless?

                I'm trying to understand how these words apply to real-world situations, to better understand their meanings to you.

                3 votes
                1. Nmg
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                  I think its a simple matter of, you cannot decide you don't believe in something if you don't know what that something is. Are atheists those that have determined that no gods exist? Or those that...

                  I think its a simple matter of, you cannot decide you don't believe in something if you don't know what that something is.

                  Are atheists those that have determined that no gods exist? Or those that never understood what a god is in the first place?

                  Perhaps an atheist could be either, but I think the language is lacking in what is otherwise a notable distinction.

                  I am not going to argue for rules on the use of the term "godless" because I don't use it in my language.

                  In my opinion, you having exposure to religion and determining that you do not believe in it makes you an atheist. Perhaps you don't have exposure to christianity, but you know what christianity is. A child who has no exposure, nor could classify themselves as an atheist, is not an atheist.

                  2 votes
    4. [2]
      Kill_Me_Now_World
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      Unless you are raised Christian/Catholic and brainwashed into the system.

      Unless you are raised Christian/Catholic and brainwashed into the system.

      1 vote
      1. Algernon_Asimov
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        I believe that @haykam821's point is that every Catholic person started out as an atheist baby. When you're born, you don't have an inherent belief in any god or any religion. As you say, you have...

        Unless you are raised Christian/Catholic and brainwashed into the system.

        I believe that @haykam821's point is that every Catholic person started out as an atheist baby. When you're born, you don't have an inherent belief in any god or any religion. As you say, you have to be raised in a religion: people have to learn religion as children. However, before people learn religion, they are atheist in the sense that they lack a belief in god(s).

        3 votes
  3. [2]
    Kill_Me_Now_World
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    It's probably a bad idea to show this to my Catholic gf right?

    It's probably a bad idea to show this to my Catholic gf right?

    1. liberty
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      I'm an atheist dating a catholic. Like all other things religion is something you should probably talk about with your partner

      I'm an atheist dating a catholic. Like all other things religion is something you should probably talk about with your partner

      1 vote