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Seymour Hersh article - The inspector of Abu Ghraib

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    JamPam
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    If you can stomach it, I urge you to look at the pictures that made it out of there, they're horrific and make me sick to my stomach literally....

    If you can stomach it, I urge you to look at the pictures that made it out of there, they're horrific and make me sick to my stomach literally. https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/04/30/16790301.php
    I believe one of the Iraqis that made it out alive said he was forced to suck a dick and when he was told to take his mask off he saw it was his father. These are only the pictures and stories that made it out, disgusting.

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    1. [3]
      boxer_dogs_dance
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      I remember being horrified when the Bush administration officials justified and normalized torture. I am aware that it occurred in the Vietnam war and by cia and US military trained law...

      I remember being horrified when the Bush administration officials justified and normalized torture. I am aware that it occurred in the Vietnam war and by cia and US military trained law enforcement and soldiers, but it was never made policy until W Bush.

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        smiles134
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        I was at the international spy museum in DC the other day and they had a small wing on enhanced interrogation, including a looping video offering perspectives on the practice. One of those...

        I was at the international spy museum in DC the other day and they had a small wing on enhanced interrogation, including a looping video offering perspectives on the practice. One of those interviewed was Jose A. Rodriguez Jr, and really the only thing I took away from his portion was that he kept emphasizing what they did was legal and therefore justified. It was pretty gross.

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        1. boxer_dogs_dance
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          At the time, lawyers from the Bush administration department of Justice, crafted memos to argue that it was legal and that previous rules forbidding torture mistaken, or in the alternative that...

          At the time, lawyers from the Bush administration department of Justice, crafted memos to argue that it was legal and that previous rules forbidding torture mistaken, or in the alternative that the new national security risks from the War on Terror created a stronger justification and that it should now be legal. It was a major policy priority of the W Bush government. For me, having grown up with Carter emphasizing human rights, it felt like a major turning point and it's one I think we haven't recovered from.

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  2. [5]
    boxer_dogs_dance
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    Much of this is behind a pay wall but I found the first section which is free to read already quite interesting. Also maybe someone will contribute a link. Hersh is someone whose work is worth...

    Much of this is behind a pay wall but I found the first section which is free to read already quite interesting. Also maybe someone will contribute a link. Hersh is someone whose work is worth paying for imho but it's not in my budget right now.

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    1. [4]
      misk
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      His recent work has been scrutinized as heavily reliant on anonymous sources and likely a product of being fed misinformation by russian intelligence. It's been both funny and disturbing that he...

      His recent work has been scrutinized as heavily reliant on anonymous sources and likely a product of being fed misinformation by russian intelligence. It's been both funny and disturbing that he didn't realize he was quoting idioms that exist only in russian language (https://tass.com/world/1653029).

      13 votes
      1. [2]
        Kitahara_Kazusa
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        From what I can tell Hersh did some great work in Vietnam, and in Iraq he didn't really do anything groundbreaking but did report correct information on the whole Abu Ghraib thing even if his work...

        From what I can tell Hersh did some great work in Vietnam, and in Iraq he didn't really do anything groundbreaking but did report correct information on the whole Abu Ghraib thing even if his work wasn't as important.

        But more recently it seems like he's just used to the US being the bad guy, so he's looking for evidence to support that idea, rather than just looking for evidence that comes from reliable sources. So you get things like his report on the pipeline explosion, or about the counteroffensive failing. And because he was correct in the past in his criticisms on the US these reports get an undue amount of attention.

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        1. misk
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          My tinfoil hat theory is that russian intelligence targets accomplished and respected figures that declined intellectually. Even little success in those instances contributes greatly to erosion of...

          My tinfoil hat theory is that russian intelligence targets accomplished and respected figures that declined intellectually. Even little success in those instances contributes greatly to erosion of trust in public institutions / authority which is key to their overall political destabilization strategy.

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      2. boxer_dogs_dance
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        I was unaware. Russia is undoubtedly active and will jump on any critical voice and try to magnify it and steer it for its own purposes. However, we need organic criticism or government becomes...

        I was unaware. Russia is undoubtedly active and will jump on any critical voice and try to magnify it and steer it for its own purposes. However, we need organic criticism or government becomes unaccountable and abuses are not challenged.

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