That was really interesting. Thanks for sharing. It's a shame. She's obviously a compassionate person that was trying to help people, and now her project has been so bastardized.
That was really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
It's a shame. She's obviously a compassionate person that was trying to help people, and now her project has been so bastardized.
I had previously learned about the "incel" term from the Contrapoints video on it. I feel like the article title is a bit misleading though. She may have created the term, but she really didn't...
I had previously learned about the "incel" term from the Contrapoints video on it. I feel like the article title is a bit misleading though. She may have created the term, but she really didn't have much in common with the incel movement which came more from the Redpill community and from 4chan.
She coined a phrase but did she really start a movement that "was taken"? It's not clear from the linked article if there was any connection or overlap between the 1997 forum members and the...
She coined a phrase but did she really start a movement that "was taken"? It's not clear from the linked article if there was any connection or overlap between the 1997 forum members and the modern Incel communities.
There's a bit more information in the link provided by @spel. But, I do agree the Ship of Theseus is a fair comparison. Personally, I believe it matters, because her incel group appealed to the...
There's a bit more information in the link provided by @spel. But, I do agree the Ship of Theseus is a fair comparison.
Personally, I believe it matters, because her incel group appealed to the same sort of users as the one we know today. The difference is moderation, where they previously actively discouraged toxic thinking and behaviours, instead of embracing them.
I actually think is this why the wording of the title as it is is important. Origin matters and it's important to acknowledge the original intent. It gives some context to how it spiraled to what...
The obvious expectation is that a woman created the current understanding of incel, ...
I actually think is this why the wording of the title as it is is important. Origin matters and it's important to acknowledge the original intent. It gives some context to how it spiraled to what it is now. They are not unrelated events.
For me, titles are suppose to attract attention, which this one does. Is it far enough to be considered clickbait to me - no, it's not. I recognize that it seems that way to you. I'm just...
For me, titles are suppose to attract attention, which this one does. Is it far enough to be considered clickbait to me - no, it's not.
I recognize that it seems that way to you. I'm just including my two-cents.
Woman blames a bunch of men for the problem she had a hand in creating/branding/promoting Not saying she could have actually seen any of this coming but it's a bit amusing.
"It definitely wasn't a bunch of guys blaming women for their problems. That's a pretty sad version of this phenomenon that's happening today. Things have changed in the last 20 years."
Woman blames a bunch of men for the problem she had a hand in creating/branding/promoting
Not saying she could have actually seen any of this coming but it's a bit amusing.
That's a pretty simplistic, dismissive way of viewing that. She's lamenting that something she created to help people, and that did help people for a while, was twisted into a hateful movement....
That's a pretty simplistic, dismissive way of viewing that. She's lamenting that something she created to help people, and that did help people for a while, was twisted into a hateful movement. She didn't have a hand in that twist; it's entirely reasonable for her to blame someone else for it.
That's a really odd way of putting it... I honestly didn't get "blame" from the article or her interview. More that she feels guilty on abandoning the project, and now it's turned into something...
That's a really odd way of putting it...
I honestly didn't get "blame" from the article or her interview. More that she feels guilty on abandoning the project, and now it's turned into something completely different and harmful.
That was really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
It's a shame. She's obviously a compassionate person that was trying to help people, and now her project has been so bastardized.
Wow, I had no idea that's where the term "Involuntary Celibate" came from, or even that it had a positive community when it started.
I had previously learned about the "incel" term from the Contrapoints video on it. I feel like the article title is a bit misleading though. She may have created the term, but she really didn't have much in common with the incel movement which came more from the Redpill community and from 4chan.
For me, the title is more a statement. She created a project that was eventually taken and corrupted. I don't think the title is misleading at all.
She coined a phrase but did she really start a movement that "was taken"? It's not clear from the linked article if there was any connection or overlap between the 1997 forum members and the modern Incel communities.
All getting a bit Ship of Theseus for my liking.
There's a bit more information in the link provided by @spel. But, I do agree the Ship of Theseus is a fair comparison.
Personally, I believe it matters, because her incel group appealed to the same sort of users as the one we know today. The difference is moderation, where they previously actively discouraged toxic thinking and behaviours, instead of embracing them.
I actually think is this why the wording of the title as it is is important. Origin matters and it's important to acknowledge the original intent. It gives some context to how it spiraled to what it is now. They are not unrelated events.
For me, titles are suppose to attract attention, which this one does. Is it far enough to be considered clickbait to me - no, it's not.
I recognize that it seems that way to you. I'm just including my two-cents.
Totally agree. And I can agree with "movement" being a problematic word. They could have dropped it completely.
Woman blames a bunch of men for the problem she had a hand in creating/branding/promoting
Not saying she could have actually seen any of this coming but it's a bit amusing.
That's a pretty simplistic, dismissive way of viewing that. She's lamenting that something she created to help people, and that did help people for a while, was twisted into a hateful movement. She didn't have a hand in that twist; it's entirely reasonable for her to blame someone else for it.
That's a really odd way of putting it...
I honestly didn't get "blame" from the article or her interview. More that she feels guilty on abandoning the project, and now it's turned into something completely different and harmful.