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Robert Pattinson’s Bruce Wayne is inspired by Kurt Cobain, says Matt Reeves

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  1. the_funky_buddha
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    I might be looking forward to this one. The only super-hero movies I could bear to watch are the ones that blur the good/evil dichotomy like the Dark Knight and Joker. Most other super-hero movies...

    I might be looking forward to this one. The only super-hero movies I could bear to watch are the ones that blur the good/evil dichotomy like the Dark Knight and Joker. Most other super-hero movies just come off as entirely unaware of the faults of the do-no-wrong protagonist, although it seems less so in recent years. I could never relate to those kinds of heroes other than superman when I was maybe eight years old.

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    rosco
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    I wonder want Kurt would make of all this. Even with some of his more violent lyrics, he always seemed to be critiquing our widespread acceptance of violence rather than advocating for it. From...

    I wonder want Kurt would make of all this. Even with some of his more violent lyrics, he always seemed to be critiquing our widespread acceptance of violence rather than advocating for it. From what I've seen of the trailer, the movie looks more like it's celebrating vigilantism.

    This Batman feels a bit more like The Punisher, which gives me pause. Particularly with the adoption of The Punisher as a folk hero in the 2A and alt-right circles.

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      the_funky_buddha
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      I love Nirvana and sympathize with Kurt but Kurt had violent tendencies and tended to only speak out against violence when it was committed against his ideals. For instance, he threatened to shoot...

      I love Nirvana and sympathize with Kurt but Kurt had violent tendencies and tended to only speak out against violence when it was committed against his ideals. For instance, he threatened to shoot a reporter once and bashed a bouncer over the head with his guitar. The man had some good ideals and great music but he definitely wasn't a pacifist.

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      1. corleone
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        We gotta remember that Kurt was born in 1967. He would be 54 today. We don't know what he'd be like now, but that's his generation.

        We gotta remember that Kurt was born in 1967. He would be 54 today. We don't know what he'd be like now, but that's his generation.

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      2. rosco
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        That's a really good point. I knew he had a really hardline stance against sexual violence and made a leap from there. You're right, if he aligns with Batman's ethos he might support this kind of...

        That's a really good point. I knew he had a really hardline stance against sexual violence and made a leap from there. You're right, if he aligns with Batman's ethos he might support this kind of violence.

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      corleone
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      Why do you think this Batman seems more Punisher-like than the others? Reeves gave indications that he will openly address the fact that Batman is very much broken and borderline psychotic, and...

      Why do you think this Batman seems more Punisher-like than the others? Reeves gave indications that he will openly address the fact that Batman is very much broken and borderline psychotic, and not necessarily in a glorifying way.

      I'm not sure if Cobain's lyrics had a lot of sociopolitical implications. I don't get the impression that he was that concerned with that kind of violence. I also don't get the impression that he'd care much for super-hero movies, though.

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      1. rosco
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        I hope so. I think the grittier more realistic vibe gives it a punisher feel. Take it with a grain of salt because I'm basing this opinion off of the trailer, but it feels more like common...

        Why do you think this Batman seems more Punisher-like than the others? Reeves gave indications that he will openly address the fact that Batman is very much broken and borderline psychotic, and not necessarily in a glorifying way.

        I hope so. I think the grittier more realistic vibe gives it a punisher feel. Take it with a grain of salt because I'm basing this opinion off of the trailer, but it feels more like common criminals than the highly trained, well armed mercenaries we saw with the Nolan films (ie. the henchmen of Bane or the Joker). It feels a little closer to what a real vigilante might see in the street. If Reeves does frame him as broken, I'm hoping there isn't a redemption or justified story arch.

        I overstated Kurt's pacifism and am making some leaps based on my understanding of his music. I don't want to make him out as a woke hero, but as a thoughtful individual who might have apprehension at inspiring this iteration of Batman. To u/thefunkybuddha's point, he didn't shy away from violence when it suited his ideals. I wasn't aware of that, but it does seem pretty clear when I started diving deeper on his beliefs around it. So you could be right. If he aligns with Batman ethos maybe he would be all for this kind of violence. I hope not thought.

        I'm not sure if Cobain's lyrics had a lot of sociopolitical implications. I don't get the impression that he was that concerned with that kind of violence.

        He was pointedly sociopolitical, specifically around critiquing sexism, homophobia, and racism, with sexual violence as a bag part of that. The song Rape Me and Polly were hailed as a strong rallying cry against sexual assault despite the controversial title and lyrics. Maybe anti sexual violence is a better interpretation.

        I also don't get the impression that he'd care much for super-hero movies, though.

        Fully agreed, haha.

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