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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of January 29
This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant Israel-Hamas war content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.
Please try to avoid antagonistic arguments and bickering matches. Comment threads that devolve into unproductive arguments may be removed so that the overall topic is able to continue.
Gen Z Is Listening to What Netanyahu Is Saying. Is Biden? (NY Times, by Ezra Klein, gift link)
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I’ve always strongly disliked this line of reasoning, and I think it’s very toxic. I think we all need to admit that it was always a fantasy that the PLO would ever have the political ability to accept any offer from Israel, given the context of the origins of the country, and the people who were already there when it was founded. The truth is though that Israel did not need the permission of the Palestinians to take responsibility for their well-being. And the idea that “well the Palestinian people didn’t even try to negotiate!” Was always just a convenient excuse to continue the settlements.
The idea that people should have known in advance that negotiations would fail seems rather defeatist. Was it so doomed that they shouldn't even have tried?
We know that the negotiations failed now, but that's in hindsight. Predicting the future is not that easy.
Absolutely not and I’m sorry if it seems that way, I am only writing this in response to a journalist who seems to be attributing some level of blame to the Palestinians for the PLO rejecting Israel’s proposal. I’m not criticizing Israel for trying to do diplomacy, I am criticizing everyone who has made excuses for Israel once the diplomacy had failed. People act like that by the PLO rejecting diplomacy, Israel’s hands became tied, and there was nothing they could have done differently. When it was never true, and it was always up to them to take responsibility for the wellbeing of the people living in these areas, even if they did not have those people’s popular support. But they never even tried. They never even tried to pretend. The Palestinian people have been treated as illegal immigrants in a land that they were never a stranger to for my entire life, and Israel did not need the PLO to accept any proposal to for instance simply grant the people in Palestine freedom of movement, to simply stop the continual settlement of the West Bank.
These things cannot be forgotten about.
Yes, unfortunately it's very common to justify decisions by blaming the other side.
On the other hand it's all interconnected. Wars and war-like situations are all about making some choices very bad for the other side. This is how deterrence works. And when deterrence fails, it makes everything worse.
What is meant by agency in this context sorry?
It means that at least some Palestinians (Hamas leadership, for example) can and do make decisions for themselves. That's still true even if all available choices are bad ones.
3 US troops dead and more injured after drone strike on base in Jordan. Apparently the strike came after a mix-up confusing the enemy drone for a returning friendly one. The group to launch the attack has not been identified yet but is thought to be one of the Iran-backed militias in the area. The US has promised to retaliate already.
Wasn't sure whether to post this here, in its own thread, or in the politics thread. This seemed most apt, despite not being directly tied to hostilities in Gaza.
Undercover Israeli troops dressed as medical staff kill three militants in West Bank hospital raid, officials say (CNN)
At least half of Gaza's buildings damaged or destroyed, new analysis shows (BBC)
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